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Hi all. I've searched through quite a few boxes of nickels and noticed something a while back. Today, I found another. This time an 1980-D. It appears to have a very slight crease on the reverse side, coming from the right side of the top of the Mont. going up towards the "U" in UNUM. It's not noticeable unless angled just right in the light. I know it's fairly common, but what causes it? Please don't say PMD! My 7 year old son can even tell it's not PMD. Edited by Jaymon74
03/19/2011 2:41 pm
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Has me running for my stash to see if I have and 80D or two. ... These coins of which you speak... they are AU or better?
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It doesn't matter what condition. They came from the mint like this. I was trying to capture a picture of it, but I'm having difficulties getting the angle right for it to show up.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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If it's raised, it could be a die crack.
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It's not raised. It's also not like a scratch crease. It's tapered on either side. I'm 100% sure it came from the mint like this. I've seen them on other coins in the same exact spot, and look exactly like this one. (which I would show you if I can figure out how to capture it) Hooray, I got it.  Edited by Jaymon74
03/18/2011 11:58 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like PMD. I was hoping before I saw the image that it might be a die clash. But the mark is coin in the wrong direction. It doesn't run parallel with the rim so it not coin wrapper damage. I bet the obverse if raised opposite that mark. If it is.... PMD! |
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Could it be a die dent? John1  |
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John1, Wouldn't a die dent make the surface on the coin raised? I never really paid much attention to this before, but after finding another just exactly like the ones before, I am giving it more thought.
coop, It is not raised on the other side. I can take a picture of the opposite side if you'd like. It will take me a little time cause I just got the zOrb and I'm not that great with it.
My guess is that it was done during the making of the planchet. Any thoughts on that?
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03/19/2011 10:34 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here is what a clashed reverse would look like:  The dented in area may not be noticed at first. But yes, more images of the coin would help. Images of the 1/4 areas would help. It would give us a better idea of what is going on. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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The area to check on the obverse for a raised are would be behind the collar next to the (?) pony tail. (I know that isn't the correct term. What is it?)That is where to two parts of the dies would meet. If it is sunk into the reverse, then the obverse would be bowed out on the obverse if it is damaged. So check there and let me know. The lighting is a little too strong. It makes a spot and makes it appear the area is raised. But that quardrant on the obverse would be where to check for a bulge.
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I have seen these before as well when doing nickel searching and am also of the opinion that it's NOT a PMD. |
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Thank you harrison2! I knew it wasn't just me that has noticed them!
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Jaymon- I don't think you're crazy, PMD doesn't make any sense for this coin. I believe what you are seeing is a form of die wear/erosion. I've seen this on nickels mostly, as the metal is hardest for this denomination. Also, as you made reference to, this anomaly is fairly common, no premium. BUT- it's always important to understand the cause, I'm glad you took the time to try to figure it out. |
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Just another part of learning. Thank you.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Die erosion shows on the area between the devices and the fields.  Die abrasion or excess wear from polishings don't show a lowering in the fields. Even when they are polsihed very deeply leaving just part of a device.  If a line was marked into the die, the coin would show just the opposite as a raised area, not a lowered/creased area. I can only think of one way the crease can be into a coin. PMD |
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