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Low 'Mintage' -- Y2k Technology

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My apologies... this question will probably grate on Numaticist sensibilities like fingernails on a chalkboard....

Are their any hobbyists/artisans out there stiking (not altering, not casting) 'low mintage' coins using improvised "striking" methods and hand made dies?
The concept here is NOT altering existing coins, NOT copying ancient coins NOR the jeweler's art of casting... but starting with a thick sheet of metal or alloy,using improvised 'Y2K' technology to "strike" (or 'bang out') "low mintage" tokens/coins?

(fingers crossed that this question will not get me drummed out of the forum)



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 Posted 03/23/2011  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume you're aware of the Chinese counterfeiters.
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I trust you are not implying that I am promoting counterfitting. I respectfully request that you clarify your post.
Yes I am familiar with the concept of the Chinese counterfitter who uses expensive commercial coin making machinery.
You probably did not read my post and perhaps did not understand my term "Y2K" technology. I am talking hammer and anvil "artisan" level of methodology. Are you familiar with the so called "hobo" nickel? These are folks (as I understand it) who use hand held metal working tools to modify existing coins. There are honorable collectors ... members of THIS coin community forum... who seek these.
My question was whether there are other artisans who start with a blank "planchet" or sheet of metal, using hammer and anvil or crude homemade methods to craft coins for personal or artistic purposes.
Mr. SAP, you are a moderator and as such owe a greater responsibility to measure your words. if the answer to my question is "no" a polite 'no' would suffice. Please clarify your post and apologise.
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You probably did not read my post and perhaps did not understand my term "Y2K" technology. I am talking hammer and anvil "artisan" level of methodology.


Do you even know what Y2K means? I think you owe Sap an apology.
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I must have misunderstood you original post also because when you asked about casting I guess I automatically thought about counterfeiting instead of altering a coin like the Hobo nickels. I have seen other denominations all the way up to dollar coins altered like the hobo nickels are done but I do not know of anyone that starts with a blank piece of metal and then creates their own design of coin unless they have their own mint like all the private mints around like National Collectors Mint or Daniel Carr's mint (not sure of the name of his private mint). There is allot to minting a coin and I guess that is why most people take an already struck coin to start with and then create a different design like the Hobo Nickels are done
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Thanks Bryan for the clarification. Obviously the word "improvised" could have been a tip off.

I think scubu's comment would not have been so offensive if he had just come out and called me stupid. I guess that could have even been ok according to forum rules. But I hope scubu was not implying that I somehow defamed sap. If so... that would be a clear violation of forum rules.
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I don't know how anyone could interpret your first post as anything close to the hammer and anvil methodology you mention in your second post.

Sap pointed out the Chinese counterfeiters after your first post which is the perfect example of what you did describe. Hand made dies, striking, and Y2K technology. That's the Chinese counterfeiters.

Then you completely shift gears and move to hand carved planchets (which has nothing to do with hand-made dies, striking ,or Y2K technology) and basically demand an apology from Sap.

I stand by my statement. You owe Sap an apology.
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Scubu... the chinese use modern coin making machinery... anything but "improvised". Follow the link in sap's post to see an example of such machinery.

No I don't know what Y2K means. Please enlighten us.

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scubee doo now don't wimp out on me here.
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Wimp out? I've done half the work for you, all you have to do is read now.
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I know what Y2K means, what does it mean to you guys.


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Hint: Year 2000


Gotta see how this one ends!

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Scubu... being the helpful fellow...
can you tell me how I cancel my forum account?
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The line about "low mintage" and also hoping to not be drummed out of the forum didn't sound all that above board. I can see the counterfit assumption. Why would making an original designed coin by hand grate on peoples nerves here?
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I trust you are not implying that I am promoting counterfitting. I respectfully request that you clarify your post.

I certainly was not, and I certainly shall.

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You probably did not read my post and perhaps did not understand my term "Y2K" technology. I am talking hammer and anvil "artisan" level of methodology. Are you familiar with the so called "hobo" nickel? These are folks (as I understand it) who use hand held metal working tools to modify existing coins.

I, frankly, had no idea what you meant by "Y2K technology"; I assumed you meant "modern technology", since 2000 was only 10 years ago. "Y2K" certainly does not imply "mediaeval" to me. The Chinese counterfeiters are certainly using modern technology to make copies of low-mintage coins, which was what I assumed your question was asking.

I apologize if my assumptions about your meaning were wrong, and in so doing caused offence. And I'm sorry I did not reply earlier; I am in Australia and have only just woken up now.

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My question was whether there are other artisans who start with a blank "planchet" or sheet of metal, using hammer and anvil or crude homemade methods to craft coins for personal or artistic purposes.

In that case, the answer is, "yes, of course there are". Practically every jeweller in the country has the ability to do that, if you asked them to. If your interest is specifically in hobo nickels, then yes, there certainly are people making similar items around.

Beyond that, there are historical re-enactors such as the Society for Creative Anachronism who strike "coins" in the mediaeval fashion, using hand-carved dies and a big guy with a hammer.
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