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1880-CC VAM 4 Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 04/14/2011  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gene, Thanks for the interesting reading, I hope when the holder-ed coin shows up, it looks as good as it does on the site I won it on, I have seen the GSA packages and Coa's on the bay also and I believe the ethics of some have changed the perception of many, when it comes to buying, other than having the " coin in hand "......Be Well My Friend.
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 Posted 04/15/2011  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Say, Morgans Dad, if you wouldn't mind sharing some information, I'd appreciate it. When you receive the coin, could you inform us if there is a smaller card included with the COA explaining the over date that is found on some 1880CC's? Thanks.
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 Posted 04/15/2011  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I received the GSA holder-ed 1880CC coin today, I received the numbered COA marked $30.00 and it explains the 78-93 series are what the CC'S were about, Dated 1972 and NO other card at all, just the MS64 sweet Morgan, VAM 3A included.......PS, I just paid a little more than the stated $30.00, believe me......I also found another 1880-CC GSA coin in MS 62 AND AWAIT THAT....
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 Posted 04/15/2011  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did research on the COAs a couple of years ago and got some education from some Morgan dealers. You can easily find CC Morgans on ebay with the wrong COA. When I bring it to the attention of the seller, they often balk, don't respond, and one even told me he'd address it with the buyer. (lier)
In any event, there are counterfeit COAs out there. My understanding is the blue circle around the eagle under loupe should resemble a dot matrix print, and not a solid blue line.
I bought my 78 GSA box and original COA separate from the coin which was bought raw. I sent it in to NGC for grading, hoping for a 64. Good luck.
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 Posted 04/15/2011  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also the the first two digits on the COA should match the year of the coin.
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 Posted 04/15/2011  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SouthSav, I did not know about the COA'S #'s matching the coins date, In my case the first two digits were 80, my coin, 1880-CC, I have inspected the holder and the seals and coin, and am convinced the package I have received is the original GSA package and the NGC Certification tag has NOT been "played with"....... PS, In my opinion, people who buy raw coins, and buy the documentation, and the holders and then send them away as if the TPG'R is to think they are in the presence of an original GSA package, is not only wrong, and deliberate misrepresentation, It is dishonest and things like this are IMO, the reason things are the way they are, Question Everything, and check things out a few times, before you spend the money on something like this..........Just My Opinion
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 Posted 04/15/2011  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MD - Yes, if your 80 CC COA starts with 80, then it matches.

I agree with you on the dishonesty. What I did was send my raw 78 CC to NGC for grading and slabbing. Afterwards, I wanted a GSA box, not holder, and a 78 CC COA just to have. I did not submit them and holder all together to NGC under the pretext it was a GSA. Sorry for the confusion.
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 Posted 04/16/2011  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim, I just wrote in another post moments ago, that things can easily be taken OUT of context, and need this topic, because I DID NOT mean you, I did NOT intend for you to think I was directing my comments at you, I am sorry for the confusion and glad to know you, good luck, found some nice other 1880-CC and will inform you and others about the documentation included, I am also glad the COA I received apparently looks to be original also.........
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We're cool and thanks.



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 Posted 04/16/2011  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm confused? I have been under the impression that the original issued GSA "Uncirculated Silver Dollar" came with an 1880CC COA, AND a smaller card explaining the "die varieties" or what is know today as VAM's. Observe the enlarged images of this item for sale on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MEWNX:IT
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 Posted 04/16/2011  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That IS the kind of things I am speaking about, I feel the sale could only bolster the posistion of fraud/deceit.

I see your point, in the picture I did NOT receive the smaller card, I believe those were from another time frame in which these were sold......
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 Posted 04/16/2011  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ham,

You're not confused, you understand correctly.

"I have been under the impression that the original issued GSA "Uncirculated Silver Dollar" came with an 1880CC COA, AND a smaller card explaining the "die varieties" ...

The 80 CC to my knowledge and what other 'experts' explained to me was the only one to have the smaller card due to the DD die varieties.

Hope this helps.
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That sounds like a very plausible explanation.....I do know these Uncirculated Silver Dollars were offered up for sale more than the one time I also know that at one of those times the GSA, gave you a choice, a $30.00 coin, a $45.00 coin and a $60.00 coin, I am told you stood a better chance buying the $30.00 coins for they were a good chance at a better dated coin.

These for the first offering I believe was around 1965, which I was 10 and short on cash.......
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 Posted 04/18/2011  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Received the second GSA holder-ed 1880-CC Morgan, A beautiful MS 62 80/79 TYPE, I am amazed I actually got lucky and no one else scooped it up before me, I did NOT receive any original documentation with the coin, no numbered card that is, it is sealed and certified by NGC, just no box or cards, I need to ask the seller if it is available.......The coin is sweet!Vam 4, Nice overdate..
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 Posted 04/19/2011  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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