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I have a 1880CC $1 in a GSA holder graded MS63 ( VAM 4) by NGC. I do not have the COA. My question is: did the GSA issue a COA or other documentation with the coin noting different die variations or VAM's, or just a 1880CC COA? I would like the box and COA with the coin, and want to purchase the right items. Thanks. |
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GSA did not issue variety attributions on their certificates. That was done later by NGC. A cert for an 1880-CC is what you seek.
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Is A Cert really that important? I am not trying to be funny I have some that the cert card was not with it and it never bothered me as I no the coin is real and the cases are not played with.
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It is somewhat important, as the coin was originally sold with the box and coa. I would like to have what was originally offered by the GSA. Somewhere, I read that information was provided by the GSA concerning die varieties and VAM's. Maybe I am wrong here? |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MEWAX:ITAbove is a link to a COA for the 1880/79-CC REV 78, VAM 4. The sellers description is a little off. Is there documentation that came with these GSA Dollars that explained the die varieties or VAM'S? I was under the opinion that just a plain 1880CC COA came with the Uncirculated Silver Dollar, and NGC added the variety when they graded the coin. I understand that there were some GSA Dollars that were considered heavily bag marked that they sold separately under the heading "Silver Dollar" that came with an explanation stating that they were uncirculated, but had several bag marks, etc. The seller here has told me via email that there is reference to the "different reverses" in these papers. They are so blurred, I cannot read them. What do you think?
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The 80/79-CC overdates were a known quantity in the 1960s when the GSA sold the coins. However, that was before VAM numbers existed. The overdates were sold with a slip of paper included by the GSA that the coin should be examined as a possible overdate. This peice of paper was separate from the COA. How do I know? I bought one that way. Don't ask me to post an image of the slip of paper. It is long gone, as is the coin. Here is a link to a E-Bay sale which shows what I am referring to: http://cgi.ebay.com/1880-79-CC-Rev7...em564352f0c3Edited by VAMsforMoney
03/29/2011 10:40 am
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Thanks VAMsforMONEY. The images in the ebay items for sale link are so hard to read. The document on the left looks like what was included in the GSA sales of dollars that had alot of bag marks, not the overdate information. Can you tell? |
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The lower paper reads, "The 1880 year Group of Carson City Silver Dollars is noted for several die varities. For example, the "80" in the Figure "1880" often covers a "7" or "79" due to the fact that the dies of 1879 were frequently used in the following year. This was accomplished by removing the "79" from the die and putting "80" in it's place. Unforetuneately, the "79" was not always fully eliminated, thus leaving part or all of the "79" visible behind the "80". As such, the die varities may enhance the value of the coin, we suggest that you examine the coin carefully, or perhaps have the coin inspected by a qualified numismatist."
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I'm sorry, but I was referring to the link on my post. I can read the item very well on the link you provided. Again, sorry for not being more specific.
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The item on the left talks about the fact that the buyer may not have gotten the exact date/mint mark of Morgan they bid on, and all sales are final and cannot be returned for a different date or m/m, i.e., reverse.
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It's just not the right image for what he is describing in his selling details.
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I just obtained an original GSA holder-ed 1880-CC Morgan with a certification label sealing the holder closed, NGC MS-64 GSA Hoard, with cert #, I also wish I received the original documentation I have seen others have.
Actually in the auction I did NOT see any mention of this documentation, but then again, I did Not see it stated there was none either, I should have the sweet slab in a couple of days, I can not help but think about where the slabbed holder has been, being these were available to the general public from the 60's through the early 80's, so just where has this one been, I will check the cert # to see when it was originally certified!!!
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the only problem I see is that these COA's are easily found for sale on ebay....Who is to know>>> should I buy the documents and holders for sale and put my 80-CC in them and represent them as official?Worthy more? Its to much of a game here, in my eye;s...They are for sale,, the forms and the holders the COA's for many years now...how does one distinguish.......the real from the popped out of the case's and submitted to the TPG's...and well here we have the left over holders and COA's? not sent in at the time? I have to wonder? |
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Gene, You have made a very strong factually correct observation, I hope the one I bought at an on line auction, self attributed VAM 3A, is not a problematic," made up" holder-ed item?  Edited by Morgans Dad
04/13/2011 08:34 am
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Dad, I for one would assume if its still in the original GSA holder it should still be a valid GSA coin and worth the going rate of the GSA dollars....The GSA's here held for many years and moved from time to time and resulted in many MS63 coins for those GSA Morgans.... I don't remember If I posted this link to an amazing story about the mint.....Most people back in the day did not want 50 pounds of silver in there pocket so millions of Morgans and Peace dollars sat in vaults for decades...how ever few people knew that these same dollars were could be bought right over the counter!imagine buying a bag of 1,000 morgans and finding they were 1895-S's http://www.pcgs.com/books/silver-do...r14-001.aspx This is fabulous reading!! |
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