Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. 300,000 items to help build your collection! Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

PCGS Genuine Or Submit To NGC

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 2,062Next Topic  
Pillar of the Community
Las_Vegas_Larry's Avatar
United States
817 Posts
 Posted 04/03/2011  6:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I saw three coins in an up coming Heritage auction. They are all graded PCGS Genuine. Would it have been better to submit them to NGC for grading and attribution, before putting them in the auction?

I say attribution because the 1892 cc is definitely a mid strike VAM-10A

I Could not figure out how to include a link. I have included the auction number and lot numbers.

The auction # is 1154

1892-cc lot # 259001
1878 $3 lot # 259003
1942/1 10c lot # 259002

I hope this makes sense

Larry
Valued Member
Cali_Nick's Avatar
United States
307 Posts
 Posted 04/03/2011  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cali_Nick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im looking at a auction with that same PCGS Genuine label. I'm very new to this but my guess is that, if I was a seller Id rather sell a coin that says on the slab "Genuine Not Gradable" from PCGS as opposed to "AU Cleaned" from NGC.
Pillar of the Community
fenton's Avatar
United States
4989 Posts
 Posted 04/03/2011  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note that any PCGS coin marked "Genuine not Gradable" that includes ".92" in the serial number is cleaned. PCGS does not use words to describe why the coin was not graded but the do encode the reason into the decimal portion of the number:

91 Artificial Color
92 Cleaning
93 Planchet Flaw
94 Altered Surfaces
95 Scratch / Rim Dent
97 Environmental Damage
98 Damage
Moderator
Learn More...
SsuperDdave's Avatar
United States
23522 Posts
 Posted 04/03/2011  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, if PCGS gave them Genuine, what would make one think that NGC wouldn't do the same? If you know it's going to come back in a Details slab, might as well give it to PCGS for the better resale value.
Valued Member
United States
312 Posts
 Posted 04/03/2011  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mshev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No reason to pay extra for slabbing if it's not going to get a grade regardless... I can't really speak about attribution, but I'd guess that the collectors who would be willing to pay extra for a VAM could also confirm for themselves if it is that VAM
Valued Member
Cali_Nick's Avatar
United States
307 Posts
 Posted 04/04/2011  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cali_Nick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aw great info Fenton, Thanks
Bedrock of the Community
Bryan1315's Avatar
United States
14454 Posts
 Posted 04/04/2011  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the question is, is it better to have a NGC details with a grade than just a genuine from PCGS not that they think it would grade problem free at NGC, just that NGC also puts a grade on the label which PCGS doesn't do
Pillar of the Community
DavidZerbato's Avatar
United States
1081 Posts
 Posted 04/04/2011  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a collector, if I saw either label, I would now what it means, and to me, it means the same thing. I try to avoid problem coins and personally, I would stay away from any auction with a problem coin whether it be "Genuine" or details graded. The only benefit I see is that NGC will put the attribution on the label even if details graded, but you need to request it and pay an extra $10. That may help to raise the price a bit as collectors w/o the knowledge to identify the variety or too unsure of their skills will feel reassured it is the proper variety. But you have to balance that with the cost of getting it graded.
Pillar of the Community
Las_Vegas_Larry's Avatar
United States
817 Posts
 Posted 04/04/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So if NGC came back details grade and cleaned it would be a wash. (sorry about the pun)

Thanks for the responses.

Larry
Pillar of the Community
DavidZerbato's Avatar
United States
1081 Posts
 Posted 04/04/2011  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, IMO it would be.
  Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 2,062Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.27 seconds to rattle this change. Forums