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It Says, "Roma". What Is It?

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I have a coin and all it says is "ROMA" on it. There's what appears to be a menorah on one side. On the other side is a cougar/tiger with two small children nursing on it. What the heck is this coin? Composition? Year? Anything?

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The "cougar or tiger" is the she-wolf suckling Romulus and Remus, the mythological twins who founded the city of Rome. Specifically, the design is modelled on a famous statue, the Capitoline Wolf, rather than the ancient coins which depicted the same scene.

But I have no idea what your piece actually is, nor why it has the Jewish menorah on one side and an iconic symbol of Rome on the other.
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Interesting piece, It might have something to do with the Jewish community of Rome. The candelabra appears to be a Menorah.
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I thought Romulus and Remus founded the Romulan empire?
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GREAT coin - very interesting mix of symbolism. I hope someone can make a positive ID for you.
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I'm starting to think that this may not even be a coin! Maybe it is some sort of token? It has no year on it. When I come home from work today I will take it out of the flip and check the edge. Maybe there is something there to help ID it.

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Um, no, it's definitely not a coin. Sorry, I should have been more clear about that. It's a medal of some kind, though who made it and why are still mysteries.

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I thought Romulus and Remus founded the Romulan empire?

No, in Star trek, Romulus and Remus are the names of planets, the twin capital planets of the Romulan Empire. Where do you think Gene Roddenberry "borrowed" the names from?
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 Posted 05/05/2011  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No idea here and I look forward to someone telling us its purpose or use.
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Tough to know. I do know there has always been a large contingent of Jewish folks in Rome with a strong and varied history right back to ancient times. It looks like a synagogue medallion.
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My two pence for what it is worth.

The Menorah was taken to Rome by Titus when the Romans destroyed the temple.

The actual Menorah has been lost (possibly when the Roman Empire fell).

There is a depiction of the Menorah on the arch of Titus in Rome which bears little resemblance to the one on the medalian.

Here is an extract from Wikipaedia on the Menarah

Until 2009, the earliest preserved representation of the menorah of the Temple was depicted in a frieze on the Arch of Titus, commemorating his triumphal parade in Rome following the destruction of Jerusalem in the year 70.

In 2009, however, the ruins of a synagogue with pottery dating from before the destruction of the Second Temple were discovered under land in Magdala owned by the Legionaries of Christ, who had intended to construct a center for women's studies.[7] Inside that synagogue's ruins was discovered a rectangular stone, which had on its surface, among other ornate carvings, a depiction of the seven-branched menorah differing markedly from the depiction on the Arch of Titus, probably carved by an eyewitness to the actual menorah present at the time in the Temple at Jerusalem. This menorah has arms which are polygonal, not rounded, and the base is not graduated but triangular.

Representations of the seven branched candlebrum have been found on tombs and monuments dating from the 1st century as a frequently used symbol of Judaism and the Jewish people.[1]

It has been noted that the shape of the menorah bears a certain resemblance to that of the plant Salvia palaestina.[9]

What is interesting is that the picture of the plant Salvia palestina mentioned shows leaves similar to those on the medalion,

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Tough to know. I do know there has always been a large contingent of Jewish folks in Rome with a strong and varied history right back to ancient times. It looks like a synagogue medallion.

I do not believe this to be a synagogue medalion since firstly such medalions are not a Jewish practice and secondly even if they were it would not represent the "Pagan" side
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