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Valued Member
United States
136 Posts |
I have, since I started collecting, purchased the Silver and Mint proof sets along with the Uncirculated sets for the year and then purchase individual coins from the same year for my albums to display and view.
My thought process was that the proofs and uncirculated sets would be valued differently than the individual coins. More or less hedging my bets I suppose. The problem with this is that it can be rather expensive and takes budget from buying individual coins I desire to have.
So what type of strategies do all of you generally employ? Am I better served by collecting individual coins (I have in the past bought extra and broke open mint, silver and uncirculated sets to put in my coin albums)? Generally speaking I rarely if ever break out or view or show the proof sets to anyone.
I generally collect simply because I truly enjoy it. But often, in the back of my head is the investment side of it. Not that I expect a windfall from my collection but its there in the thought process that at some point, collectively, it could amount to something.
As I look upon the collecting community, general habits and such, I see far more individual coin collections than I do say proof, silver proof or uncirculated set collections.
I know there is no 'one size fits all' type of strategy or approach, but if I were to have a mind set of being able to conveniently view, show my collection and collected with the thought of potential future investment, what strategy would work better?
Should I buy the mint sets, break them out and call it good then focus the rest of the time on more valuable, possibly more rare coins or would it be better to continue the dual approach?
What are your thoughts and strategies in collecting?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts |
the first rule of collecting is that you can't have everything - sad, but true. So, you have to decide what you want - what matters to you. Then you collect that, and ignore everything else. That really conserves the budget. I study genealogy, so I blend that with my coins by collecting the years that are milestones in my family history: coins that might have been in their pockets at those times. Then, you can collect particular countries, or all countries in the same era - WW1 or WW2, for instance. Some people look for "OFEC" - one from every country - which includes past, as well as present countries. If you look through CCF, you'll see threads about collections of coins with ships, or particular animals and plants (I can't resist elephants or palm trees, if they're not too dear).
Whichever way you choose, then you pursue your goal, and disregard any distractions.
Mint sets, proofs, etc: they are real profit-makers for the makers. You can pay a hefty premium for the extra shine and the packaging. I leave them alone, and content myself with good examples of sirculated coins. I don't have slabs. All of my coins can be handled, without fear of impairment.
The bottom line is that a strategy will get you to a state of satisfaction quicker, and less expensively.
Peter
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
I suggest doing as I do. I purchase a proof and uncirc set each year and put them in a box, unopened. No idea why, since they just sit there. The main thing I do is make lists of coins I need to fill an Album. Next I make a list of coins I would just like to have, Album or no Album. I make several columns on each list for possible prices. Then look up those prices and put them on those lists from the Red Book, the PCGS web site, ebay, other on line dealers, the Numismatic News. Then, as in a few minutes, I go to a coin show and leave those lists at home and just buy what I want and can afford. This hobby is supposed to be a fun hobby so just do what you want.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3540 Posts |
Research. Either pick a series or collect by type. Now, you must become as close to expert at grading the coin(s) or series that you wish to collect. In many, many instances, there is a big difference in price between grades.
Buy the highest quality that you can afford.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote: Buy the highest quality that you can afford. To me that is the type of thing that turns a fun hobby into something that makes people nutty always thinking about values of their collections. For me I just want to fill an Album regardless of quality. That to me is the start of the fun of collecting to make a complete anything. Otherwise a person ends up with a few coins, no sets, no plans to complete anything.
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Valued Member
United States
284 Posts |
I recently wrote a collection charter for myself. Since I am getting back into the hobby I wanted to be very careful not to stretch my desires and expectations beyond what I can sustain. If I don't set my goals up front then I will get frustrated and upset. My charter has four sections. First, I set some basic rules of what's in and what's in. I declared that I am only going to collect coins that are of circulated or bullion strike/condition. That means no proofs, commemoratives, or medals. I also said that I will not have duplicates since that just leads to clutter for me. Second, I wrote down specific series and sets of coins that I am going to actively collect. For example, I am going to collect and acquire 1932-1964 Washington quarters (among other sets). Third, I wrote down what I am allowing in the collection. I am not actively collecting these coins but if they cross my path then I will not discard them. To me this is any US silver coin that I am not actively collecting, like Standing Liberty quarters. Fourth, I wrote down what I am not allowing in my collection. It's not that I have anything against these coins. I'm just trying to stay focused and set my priorities. An example here is no Middle Eastern coins. In that specific case, I just don't feel a cultural tie there so I am not going to focus on them. Obviously, there are exceptions to everything. If I see a good find or a good deal then I will go for it but I may not end up keeping it long term. For example, if someone hands me a 2000 Proof Kennedy I will take it! Also, this charter is not set in stone. It's flexible and it can change. In fact, it should change. Allowing change accommodates growth. This may all sound a bit anal and too "project management" oriented but I need that kind of structure. -- Boris
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Collect what you like. The proof sets and unc mint sets are just the springboard to a rich numismatic legacy of any coin issuing authority, not just the USA. Part of your education in determining what you like is reading up on your acquisitions and having a good numismatic reference library at home, in order to make well informed buying decisions.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3540 Posts |
Quote:" Quote: Buy the highest quality that you can afford.
To me that is the type of thing that turns a fun hobby into something that makes people nutty always thinking about values of their collections. For me I just want to fill an Album regardless of quality. That to me is the start of the fun of collecting to make a complete anything. Otherwise a person ends up with a few coins, no sets, no plans to complete anything."
Only if you allow it too. "Buying the highest quality that you can afford", does NOT mean to mortgage the house or get a second job. Means to do the research, find the quality/grade of coin you desire, and then buy it. ALL of this goes hand in hand.
Yes, it IS ok to upgrade as time/money/and opportunity of finding the specimen(s) occurs, but buy the best coin that you can afford....AFTER doing the research and learning how to grade them.
Unfortunately, there is many unscrupulous and uneducated people in this hobby/business. Wherein...THIS is the problem. Most of the people on this site, consider this a hobby. The people we are buying from, well, it is a business. Unfortunately, it IS all about money...the greenback kind and NOT about the collection/collector/numismatics.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote: The people we are buying from, well, it is a business. Unfortunately, it IS all about money...the greenback kind and NOT about the collection/collector/numismatics.
Also, not always true. Especially many elderly people are coin dealers for just something to do. I've met many of those at coin shows that sell and/or collect coins for fun mostly. Yes even for those a profit in sales is OK but not the real reason they are doing the selling. One elderly couple sell at only one coin show a Month by me. The lady sells jewlery and her husband sells coins. They once told me even if they didn't sell one item, they really have fun getting to talk and know lots of people. One dealer I met is well into his 70's and really couln't care less if he makes a profit or not but he too says this is really fun. I suspect many of the elderly people selling coins at coin shows are doing it for a similar reason younger people go to bars and taverns. I've been collecting coins for well over 60 years now and so far have never sold a coin and probably never will but if I do, it would be to just get rid of excess and for sure no profit needed at my age.
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Valued Member
United States
284 Posts |
I have to agree with just carl here a bit. There are lots of retired people who open up shops and run a business just for the fun of it. All they want out of it financially is to break even after paying their expenses. There's no point in losing money along the way. I visit two local coin shops. One is definitely there for the profit and to make money. The othere is there because they enjoy the hobby. Younger people run the first shop and a retired couple run the second. Let me tell you that these two shops have a way different feel and approach to the customer. It's nearly impossinle to have a personal relationship with the first shop but you can learn a lot of numismatic history in the second.
So, yes, money is a factor because you don't want to ruin yourself no matter what but it's not always the driving force.
-- Boris
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Moderator
 Australia
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Quote: just carl said: Then, as in a few minutes, I go to a coin show and leave those lists at home and just buy what I want and can afford. I have to admit, I do this more often than I care to admit. I have a wantlist of items I'm looking for, but usually forget to print out a copy and bring it along to a coin show or shop. I then end up buying "whatever takes my fancy". As for my collecting "strategy", as you might be able to tell from my wantlist, I don't really have one. The best analogy I can think of is a game of Battleships, except that I'm not actually trying to "sink" anything - I'm just having fun firing shots off in random directions, and seeing what happens! 
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4897 Posts |
LOL Sap. I agree. I go to an antique store looking for Canada small cents last week and end up with a US Civil War Token....WTH?! Now I have some fun research to do. Yeah!
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