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 Posted 05/09/2011  3:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add If You Got the Money Honey to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am so new to this so please go gentle!
I am not sure what to think of this 1958 penny. I read a bit on error coins and if this is indeed one, then I do think it has a shwack of them.
What do you think?


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 Posted 05/09/2011  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post mint damage in my eyes.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timsumrall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a lamination error due to poor alloy mix. One error not a shwack.

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 Posted 05/09/2011  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it could be a lamination error, can you post a pic of the obverse?
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 Posted 05/09/2011  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timsumrall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of clues: Look above the "T" in cent. It hasn't peeled yet. Also look at the letters "in" the depressions. PMD would not have left these behind.

The near vertical bar is cool. Is it rolled over or bent over?
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 Posted 05/09/2011  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scurry64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first thought was delamination as well, but isn't delamination characterized by straight lines? How do you explain the jaggedness of some of the shapes?
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That is a large delamination, the bottom curl of the peel is still attached and you can see another peel forming at the right wheat ear. It is caused by a weakness in the alloy which leads to a poor internal bond.

I consider most laminations/delaminations to be mint-caused damage and a negative for a coin but one this large enough that it is worth keeping.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HeadsIWin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that it's not PMD. I too am curious about the jagged lines and the thick straight line.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add If You Got the Money Honey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some more pictures. Hope it helps and thank you for your observations.

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Jagged lines are quite normal for delaminations and the thick straight line at the left wheat ear is the edge of the delamintion where it was broken off of the coin. Do not concentrate so much on the outline of the delamination, that is largely irrelevant. Look at the area where the metal has peeled- you can still see visible design elements hiding in the grain of the metal, that would be impossible for PMD.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree that this is a lamination error.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scurry64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never considered PMD. It is as obvious as can be, because of the visible design elements beneath the delaminated area, that this is delamination. I'm just curious about the form it took.

By the way ifyougotthemoneyhoney, I like your coin. I think its a great find, one I would be happy to have found myself. I like unique coins like yours.
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Great call on the design elements still visable. I was focusing on the base of the "T" in cent for the delamination call.
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 Posted 05/09/2011  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add If You Got the Money Honey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for all your expertise. Could you tell me please what something like this is worth? Or at least a ballpark figure if it were for sale.
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 Posted 05/10/2011  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frazzle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your lucky you might get 4 or 5.00 on ebay
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