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1942-D DDO / DDR Washington Quarter Unpublished Error

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 Posted 05/25/2011  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks also that the mint mark is doubled the same. Another would not happen on a real coin.
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 Posted 06/22/2011  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ccobb357 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had previously showed this quarter to a reputable coin dealer near my home and he was shocked to even hear that someone thought that it might be fake. He held it looked at it with a loop and everything. The dealer sells between $21,000 to $24,000 worth of coins each month. so at his point I will send it in for verification and grading.
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 Posted 06/22/2011  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If he's so cocky, ask him to put his money where his mouth is and pay for the grading if it comes back fake. Then you've got nothing to lose.
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 Posted 06/22/2011  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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he was shocked to even hear that someone thought that it might be fake. He held it looked at it with a loop and everything.

He apparently forgot to weigh it which would be a major rookie mistake. The fact that it is 1.5 grams underweight is an obvious indicator that it was not struck on a standard 90% silver quarter planchet and it also does not match any other US planchet. If he is not capable of performing a simple counterfeiting diagnostic, then he is not much of a reputable dealer
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 Posted 06/23/2011  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I worked most of my life in the automobilistic metallurgic area and I saw the same material with different mass many times !If is real it would be a unique error and would bring a value above the roof

Those kind of comments aren't going to help the OP no matter how many experts weigh in..after all, the OP doesn't know the players on here.
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 Posted 06/23/2011  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be a mistake to suggest that weight anomalies on US coins are the rule versus the rare exception. Anyone can test this themelves by weighing a stack of pre-65 quarters on an accurate scale.
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 Posted 10/15/2011  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just got done weighing over 4000 pre 64 quarters. Yes they do vary in weight, usually its the well worn ones. But to weigh 1.5 grams under would mean the coin had so much wear you could hardly tell its a Washington quarter.

Its probably fake or your scale is off (most peoples scales are way off) I am curious to see what happened when you sent it in to pcgs for a grading.
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 Posted 10/15/2011  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let us know!
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 Posted 10/15/2011  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. The coin is a struck counterfeit. It is way outside Weight Tolerance, it has very common markers common to counterfeit coins (pitting, etc), and is apparently doubled enough that it couldn't possibly go unnoticed for this amount of time. If this coin were real (which it cannot be) it would shadow the most famous doubled dies known.

2. Sending a coin like this in for "verification" will prove it is fake...but that much is obvious already. If you must waste your money sending it in - by all means do so. I can tell you ahead of time that no verifiable grading service would holder this coin as genuine.

3. It is fake, but it is a neat fake. Even being a counterfeit, it has value, and the fact that both sides are extreme doubled dies make it all the more interesting. I would not be surprised if someone with deep pockets who collects counterfeit coins wouldn't offer $200 or more for this piece.

Good luck with this piece - it's not "junk" but it's also not a real coin, and the slabbing services will do you NO good except to take your money and tell you the same thing you have heard here already. I would suggest trying to get in touch with either Bill Fivaz, author of earlier editions the CherryPickers' Guide or J. P. Martin, an avid collector of counterfeit pieces and professional grader. Either one of those guys would be able to head you in the right direction for a buyer at the right price if they were not interested in the piece themselves.
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 Posted 10/15/2011  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another word of advice...

Most dealers wouldn't know their head from a hole in the ground when it comes to verifying coins as real or counterfeit, and about the same number could write a single intelligible line about errors and/or varieties. I respect dealers for what they do know and I respect the fact that they have picked a difficult living - without them, the coin industry as a whole could not survive...but asking them for advice regarding coins like this is like asking an airline ticket agent to fly a plane. They work in the industry but simply don't have the knowledge.

In this forum you have the active presence of a number of very knowledgeable people in error and variety coins - published authors, national error club governors, and long-time collectors who have enough valid information to write volumes on the subject. I suggest always weighing the advice given here (as a whole) very heavily over what a single dealer says...regardless of their sales volume, which says absolutely nothing about their level of knowledge in a specialized field.
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 Posted 10/15/2011  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Question: Could a "rolled thin planchet " be that much under weight? I do not think that is what we have here, just wondering.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly so, but the design would not be complete when the coin is minted. It would appear to be an extremely soft strike.

This coin has a lot of probelms, mushy details being one of them...but mushy details and a soft strike are two different things.
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 Posted 10/29/2011  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ccobb357 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the information. I have just been sitting on this coin and doing as much research as I can from time to time when I think about it. However, what also intrigue me is , has anyone ever seen another one like it? To be counterfeit would one think that there would be more very similar varieties known? On the web, listed somewhere? There would be no purpose to spend the time and effort just to make one quarter even back then a person would make more than one. I will try to weigh it on a different scale to see if there is a difference. Also remember this coin was in a 2x2 and looked like it was for a long time, it was not found in my pocket change.
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 Posted 10/29/2011  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its definitely a counterfeit...I would still say it is worth more than a quarter though. Some people collect counterfeit coins. If I found it or had it I would keep it. It still is pretty neat.
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