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Catalogues Of British Coins

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 Posted 06/10/2011  12:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bilnic to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Numismaster/KM, whatever you care to call it, is very useful for a World collection, but the detail and accuracy - also the limited timescale if you collect older coins - make it unsuitable for use with a full British collection, and the same probably applies to any Country that is a major part of anyone's collection.

I collect British only, but from Celtic times to today. I have a number of books and catalogues but the problem is that each one uses a different reference number for the same coin. I would like to think that any reference number that I might quote will be recognised by other members here. An unusual adventage, however, is that if you prepare a spreadsheet from several sources, you will find out much more about different varieties.

I am going to ask a similar question in the appropriate section here about the Celtic coins that interest me.

So, for discussion, whose catalogue do you refer to for your British coins?

Bill.
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 Posted 06/10/2011  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mostly, I go online, and I find Tony CLAYTON's site very helpful.

I have an old book:
Thorburn's "Coins of GB & I", 4th edition, 1905,
which I refer to, because it is available to me. Some of the adverts are great.
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 Posted 06/10/2011  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spink/Seaby numbers are the ones usually quoted for British coins, especially for generalists who want a reference to cover the entire Celtic-to-Modern series. The Coincraft system is not only more complex - compare "Spink 2637" with "Coincraft J1LA-030" - but as far as I know, Coincraft has not been published this millennium; it's getting out of date. And those are the only two general British references I'm familiar with.

I have both books, and usually look up a new acquisition in both books to make sure the type/variety has been attrributed properly, but I'll usually just give the Spink number in my database, or when giving a reference in my coin club Magazine or here on the forum.
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 Posted 06/11/2011  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bilnic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sap, could you please give me the precise title for Spink, so that I can search for a copy (I'll try on Amazon first, often the cheapest source for books).

Thanks,

Bill.
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I have an old Seaby, 22nd edition, 1987. There weren't many more after that, and Seaby was subsumed by Spink.
You don't often see anyone cite any sources other than Spink nowadays.
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 Posted 06/11/2011  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The full title is "Coins of England and the United Kingdom" published by Spink. They released the 2011 (46th) edition not long ago. It's currently the second book down on the Spink books page, £25 direct from Spink, shipping extra. New or secondhand copies of older editions shouldn't be too hard to find on Amazon or elsewhere. I would imagine that most coin dealers in Britain probably would also stock it.

In the 46th edition, the Celtic Britain section takes up 45 pages. Romano-British 35 pages, Anglo-Saxon about 60 pages, English/British take up the other 500-odd pages. Scottish and Irish coins are listed in a separate book, "Coins of Scotland, Ireland and the Islands", also by Spink. Link. But I don't think a new edition of that book has come out since the second edition, 2003.
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 Posted 06/11/2011  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bilnic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found it - latest edition for £14.80 + £2.80 shipping. Full price is £25. 40% saving!

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 Posted 06/24/2011  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bilnic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've put "Spink" on hold at the moment. Surely there are more than three of us who refer to catalogues on British coins.

I will name some of the ones that I have, with a few brief comments:-

COIN YEARBOOK 2010 (issued annually, 2012 edition should appear about October). The "everyday" book on British coins from Celtic days (not much detail), Roman (again, not many details), English Hammered 959 - 1485, and then a comprehensive guide 1656-date which is split, as appropriate, England, Scotland, Isle of Man, Guernsey, Jersey, Alderney, and Ireland. Lots of general info, foreign dates, foreign mint-marks, metal detecting, and so on. There are no catalogue numbers. The only downside is that it is in paperback (352 pages) and first it splits into sections, then becomes loose-leaf. Price £9.95.

ENGLISH HAMMERED COINAGE by J J North, Vol.1 c.650 - 1272 (pub. 1963) and Vol.2 1272-1662 (pub 1960). Very good, but assume that the reader already has some knowledge of the subject - an example being that it gives illustrated notes on associated mint-marks but then forgets the mention which year or years a particular mint-mark applied to. Coins are numbered consecutively through the pair of books, Vol.1 conveniently ending at No.1000 and Vol.2 at 2784.

ENGLISH SILVER COINAGE FROM 1679 by H A Seaby and P Alan Rayner (pub.1949/1957 and 1968 with updates). A well detailed volume. A good test is always the Shillings of Queen Victoria and the three main types appear, plus a split into 10 sub-types - 11 illustrations are given. It is a book that I can work with. Coins are numbered 1-2594 and any that were omitted from previous issues, or new ones since, have a letter (sometimes 2-letter) suffix.

THE STANDARD CATALOGUE OF ENGLISH MILLED COINAGE IN SILVER, COPPER AND BRONZE 1662-1972, by Geoffrey M Cope and P Alan Rayner (pub.1975). A useful, no-nonsense book. The Victoria shillings are split 7 ways, but little fuss is made about die numbers, only notes against which years they were shown. Legitimate Proofs appear, but not Patterns. Unfortunately, a few coins, such as the circulation 3d for Colonial use, 1834-1844 are omitted, although most Cataloguers include them for completeness. There is also a general tendency to put as much as possible under Maundy rather than having a complete listing of (for instance) all 3d together. If a full listing of all accepted British coins were given, rather than keeping information on Colonial coins of British type minimal, and Maundy issues grouped into sets, this would be an excellent publication. Coins are numbered consecutively, from 1 to 3050.

BRITISH COPPER COINS AND THEIR VALUES, by P J Seaby and Monica Bussell, seventh edition 1969/1970. Only a small book (112 pages), but quite useful in its way. There are separate sections on Scotland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Lundy, Guernsey, Jersey. There are no catalogue numbers. I do not refer to it very often, preferring the book described above.

COINCRAFT'S 1997 STANDARD CATALOGUE OF ENGLISH & UK COINS 1066 TO DATE, by Richard Lobel, Mark Davidson, Alan Hailstone & Eleni Calligas. The full 740 page, hard cover, catalogue. As it is not printed on art-paper, some of the illustrations suffer. Quite useful, but rather an unusual system of catalogue numbers.

I do have other books on British coins, but they are of a more specialised nature and could not be described as catalogues.

I will follow this with another short post on what I want!

Bill.
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 Posted 06/24/2011  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bilnic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now, what am I looking for?

On my Excel spreadsheets, I want to record an acceptable and recognisable catalogue number. My collection could best be described as all British, with earlier coins all English, the Roman ones from London mint only, plus a few Celtic which are all Durotriges from the south of England.

KM / NUMISMASTER, being world-wide, is too vague and not accurate enough for one-country use.
COINCRAFT is out of date.
COIN YEARBOOK 2010 (etc.) does not have catalogue numbers.
Other books have their own unique number series.
Yes, I know that there are others, like RIC for Roman.
I haven't seen "Coins of England and the United Kingdom" published by Spink, so I can't comment on it.

I would be quite happy to have one series of numbers for each period - Pre-Roman, Roman, English Hammered, English/British Milled, UK Decimal. That would not be a problem.

BUT, the reference numbers MUST be consistent. They must NOT change when the book is reprinted. I do not require "prices", but "degrees of rarity" are very useful.

OR, perhaps, someone out there has devised their own numbering system. Please tell us about it - and perhaps consider selling it to Coin Yearbook!

Perhaps, between us, we can come up with a numbering format that everyone will WANT to use! Perhaps, also, we can discuss the best format for a catalogue.

Bill.
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 Posted 06/25/2011  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swish513 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So, for discussion, whose catalogue do you refer to for your British coins?


i have just 3 books that I use. but my british collection is not an "all encompasing" collection.

my spink (45th edition), english hammered coinage vol. 2 (3rd edition), and sylloge of coins of the british isles, vol. 39: the j.j. north collection.
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I am using Coin Yearbook 2008 for deicmal and late predecimal UK coins and a Seaby's 1976 hardcover catalog for anything older than Queen Victoria. So far, I find both very easy to use and detailed.
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