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1849 Seated Dollar (Possible Proof) Please Give Me A Opinion

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 Posted 06/13/2011  05:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
may I ask where on earth you got it? this might help us understand. lol.
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 Posted 06/13/2011  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w1a9c8k5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Send that puppy in! or sell it to me :)
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 Posted 06/13/2011  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Details look good for a genuine 1849. Now that you mention it, I can see a little "haziness" around the edges of the devices, a sign of possible polishing. Even as a "cleaned" Business Strike, it's still a thousand-dollar coin, and *any* new Proof is going to value into five figures.

Keeping my fingers crossed for your submission results.
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 Posted 06/13/2011  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a great coin.

Need better pics.

Good luck on the grading.
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Keeping my fingers crossed for your submission results.



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 Posted 06/13/2011  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! IMO, that coin is a proof. Best of luck! Keep us posted.
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 Posted 06/13/2011  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this isn't fake, its at minimum MS66 PL IMO. I wouldnt go as far as saying proof without it right in front of me. IF that is a proof, its is pushing 6 figures in value. If its what I am saying, 20 - 30 grand. Definately post pics in the slab if it comes back genuine. Good luck!
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 Posted 06/14/2011  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VERY cool. Please send it in and let us know how it goes! PCGS all the way, IMO.
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Well I'm crossing my fingers...

I'm sending it in asap. Aslo you think I should go Pcgs or NGC SO I GET THE DETAILS if it is cleaned it will come back unc, or au details.

Also does anyone have an opinion on if a rushed grading submition would change the grade? Like if I send it in overnight grading. Or 5 day or 15 day. And should I submit as proof...?

Need your thoughts.
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 Posted 06/18/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS, without a doubt. They've a measurable lead over all others in market reputation; you'll realize a significant resale advantage in a PCGS slab, especially with scarcer issues. Although some issues are closer, in many cases I see price advantages of PCGS slabs amounting to a full grade point or more. PCGS is now slabbing "problem" coins in "Genuine" slabs, thank Goodness. Don't worry about a "Details" grade - at this level, your prospective buyers know how to grade for themselves, thank you very much.

Submit it as a Business Strike. It's tough to tell from the pics - they're a tad unfocused at full size - but I just don't see the sharpness at the rim I'd expect of a Proof. Call the value $9000 (yes, I know this is going to cost you dearly for insurance but the alternative is calling it $35,000 for a Proof).

If this coin makes a graded slab, it's going to be important, Proof or not. There are, to the best of my knowledge, no Prooflike Business Strikes known and barely over one hundred Mint State examples extant (not counting resubmissions).

This will be a risk, whatever your choice.
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 Posted 06/18/2011  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck, can't wait to see it in the slab!
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 Posted 06/18/2011  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3stooges to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where did you get the coin, and how did the seller grade or describe it? Seeing a raw coin like that automatically raises suspicion.
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 Posted 06/18/2011  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add perfessor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no experience with Seated dollars, and I hope it truly is genuine. But any coin that valuable in a flip smells fake to me. The Chinese have gotten really good at making copies that would fool most people nowadays.
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If you are going to make a fake proof coin, it would be best to first polish the dies and the planchets, the same way proofs are produced, to equivalent standard as the proofs of the day.

From an industrial point of view, I do not think that would be too hard to do. I think polishing would be easier than faithfully reproducing detail.
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 Posted 06/19/2011  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Power Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No I've had 50 people check it. Its genuine. Although one of my top guys told me hat same thing amount the sharpness of the edges not looking like proof.
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