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Actual Proof Buffalo Or A Whizzed MS?

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Soliciting your opinion as to whether this is a true Proof Buffalo or just a whizzed MS. I can't tell and the seller had no history on the coin. Any help greatly appreciated. Paleoguy

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...RK:MEBIDX:IT
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 Posted 06/19/2011  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if anything, its polished, I dont see evidence of whizzing.

definitely suspicious
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Note the "fuzziness" near the devices and in the tighter areas. Polished, I think, and I wouldn't touch it.
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It is hard to say from the photos, at least from my perspective. I would say it isn't whizzed. It looks proof to me...but like AdamE, I'm a little suspicious. Seller does have a return policy, however.

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 Posted 06/19/2011  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buffalo noob here--would a proof have such strong flow lines in the fields?
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I bought a 1915 nickel certified by PCI as a matte proof PR-64. I've tried to cross it at both PCGS and ANACS with a minimum grade of PR-63 and both refused to put it in their plastic. I have considered breaking it out and submitting it raw but then it might be judged an ordinary business strike worth hundreds less than my (theoretical) slabbed matte proof.

I think the confirmation of proof status for these coins is very tricky and even advanced collectors can be reluctant to make that call. Paying proof money for a raw coin like this ebay example seems risky to the point of foolishness.

When I have a chance I'll post images of my 1915. I put it up some time ago but I'd be interested in any new CCF member opinions.
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 Posted 06/19/2011  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SuperDave hit it right on the head. Don't walk, run away from it.
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I agree. The lines around the devices were a give away for me. I would believe it was light, if it weren't visible from all angles of the coin.
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Thanks for the good advise. I'm a heading for Texas and "El Paso".
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Keep in mind what was said here, though, and what you saw. I *might* be wrong, but there will always be another coin. Numismatics is about knowledge and more importantly, patience.
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 Posted 06/19/2011  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paleoguy45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Point well taken SD.
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Keep in mind, Paleoguy45, that as a Moderator I have to think of a bigger picture. Your thread has only eleven posts (counting the one I'm posting), and over 140 reads. A lot of people we never hear from read what's written here, and for them I will always overstate the obvious - I think you didn't *need* to hear a word posted here to make the right decision - by way of addressing those who are just accumulating knowledge without feeling the need to participate.

I know that will sometimes make Moderator posts seem a little overbearing or condescending, but that is absolutely not our intent. We're playing to the broader audience.
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paleo, in addition to what folks have said, the seller has virtually NO feedback. I dont know that I would trust buying a raw coin like that from a seller with no track record. There are a few I have used that I WOULD, but not in this case.
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As promised, here are photos of my PCI-certified matte proof 1915 nickel, graded PR-64. Actual proof strike, or really sharp MS? How can you tell for sure? I don't know!

Actual-Proof-Buffalo-Or-A-Whizzed--MS?

Actual-Proof-Buffalo-Or-A-Whizzed--MS?
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OH man Jaobler. No matter what you call it, it is RIDICULOUSLY gorgeous!

Is LIBERTY always that weak? The head is SO sharp, as is everything else - it kinda stands out. Really interesting and BEAUTIFUL coin.
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