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A bunch of coins I sent in just had the grades posted. A 32D quarter graded G04, a 57 FE in XF45, and an 85 Morgan in MS64, all of which I am fine with. However..... A beautifully toned 89 Morgan coming back only as genuine with questionble color, and here is the real killer, SP67 on my Yellowstone puck. ARRRRGGGGHHHHH! The toning thing. OK, you want to argue that the toning is purposeful, fine. How about actually GRADING the coin? A simple MS63 details would work a lot better than just doing a genuine slab. I mean they will grade a coin that got cleaned wrong and has hairlines all over it with e details rating. Why not this?  The puck. I went over that thing before I sent it in. I know darn good and well there was NOT anything wrong with it to knock it all the way down to 67. And to top it off, I sent the 4 coins in seperate from the puck by 13 days. They held onto those coins until the puck was graded and are shipping them together. I PAID THE SHIPPING FOR EACH ORDER! I can not begin to express just how mad I am right now.  Good thing they are closed right now. I will have time to cool down before I call them tomorrow. Oh, I will post pics when I get the coins back. Edited by smokeriderdon
06/28/2011 10:45 pm
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lot's of things wrong there. they could probably defend all of those points except the shipping, that to me seems ridiculous. by the way, post a picture of that flying eagle.  I love them, where did you get yours? |
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A beautifully toned 89 Morgan coming back only as genuine with questionble color  to the club swcoin.ecrater.com
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Wait. You spent sizable money on PCGS grading, not knowing they don't do "details" grades?
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I mean they will grade a coin that got cleaned wrong and has hairlines all over it with e details rating. Why not this? NGC will put a details grade but PCGS never has put a details grade on anything, they used to just send them back in a flip. At least now they slab them as genuine but they have never put any details grades on their labels |
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Wait. You spent sizable money on PCGS grading, not knowing they don't do "details" grades? Yea first thing I though of too. Try Anacs, they will at least give a suggested grade. Sorry to hear about the SP67. Look closely in the devices and the rim of the coin. A lot of people focus on the field and will miss things in the details. |
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Ok, I know/heard of many different grades but SP?
I do not know what that one is, can anyone shed some light
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I mean they will grade a coin that got cleaned wrong and has hairlines all over it with e details rating. Why not this? As mentioned PCGS has never done details grading. NGC and ANACS do that. |
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OK, I THOUGHT PCGS did details. I have ICG detail grading, and have seen ANACS and NGC examples so I presumed they did as well. My bad. As far as the shipping, they shipped them seperately. It seems their shipping department had delays. I had a whole lot better experience with ICG than I have with PCGS so far... I hav gone over this coin with a 10x glass and can not find anything of consequence anywhere on the coin. Now, I can no longer see the edge where everything is incused, but I cant imagine there would be enough there to have dropped it to a 67 and escaped my notice before I sent it. Here it is:  Freedom, SP is the designation they are using for these coins. Specimen Piece I think?  And the obverse...  Taking the rest of the pics right now and will load them soon. |
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I can't wait to see the other pictures. I'm nervous about sending in my 1889 cc to ngc but I guess it is time to bite the bullet.
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I think PCGS does this lower grade stuff to keep their populations low for higher grades. I have always thought this and I think its why PCGS coins get higher amount when sold and they know this. I feel NGC has their problems but also feel they have more accurately grades because they don't seem to really care about the populations and give the grade the coin actually deserves instead of looking back and saying well we have 10,000 in 67 and 3000 in 68 and 10 in 69 and 2 in 70 so we are going to just give this one a 67 because it looks really good and the population where most of these have graded at and want to keep those populations reports low for the higher grades for our big time customers that send in allot of coins.
I really tried to give PCGS the benefit of the doubt when I first heard they did this but I tested it myself and I submitted a coin that I felt was a 65 or 6 and it came back a 64, I sent it to a dealer on the PCGS forums (that I had talked to before sending it to him about what I was going to do) and he resubmitted it with a bunch of his coins and it came back a MS-66. I can understand a 1 point difference because different graders on different days and how grading works but 2 grades really made me feel that it was because who sent them in even though they say the graders do not know who the submitter is. Its just like sending one in for regrade. they say the graders never see the slab but yet it will come back the exact same grade 99% of the time. If grading is so subjective you would think it would go up or down more than it does if they do not know what the grade was the first time
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Ok, here we go. Bryan, its possible. I like to think not though. Morgans (ladies) first here:  Here is the toned one. I was having a heck of a time getting the color to show in the pics. Its a light purple. It is not as heavy as you might think from the pics. NO reason not to grade this coin IMO. None at all.   The MS64 I was actually worried about. I thought it was close to being PL, but it does have a rim ding. I had concerns that would cause them not to grade this. But it rated a 64 with the ding...if there had been no ding...OMG. Oh, and the wife paid a whole of 50 bucks for it.   Murellington, I never would have guessed. LOL I got it from my local dealer raw. We go in there all the time so if I see something I like but dont have the money for, he chucks it in the safe at that price until I do. I had this beauty in the safe for a month while we paid of a lot of other coins we had.    And last but not least, my first 32 D. As I said, its only a G04, but its one I could afford to drop the money on all at once at the show I got it from. And it has personality. A LOT of people have handled this coin to wear it out like that.    OK, so thats all of them. Hope you all like them as much as I do. Edited by smokeriderdon
06/29/2011 5:48 pm
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the quarter looks a little better than g4 to me, but that's just opinion. and the flying eagle is gorgeous. did you pick it up on ebay or from a local coin shop? I'm waiting to find a good one for my 7070. I'm looking for a 1857 as well in about XF grade. nice coins! Quote:
I really tried to give PCGS the benefit of the doubt when I first heard they did this but I tested it myself and I submitted a coin that I felt was a 65 or 6 and it came back a 64, I sent it to a dealer on the PCGS forums (that I had talked to before sending it to him about what I was going to do) and he resubmitted it with a bunch of his coins and it came back a MS-66. wow, that makes me not like pcgs as much. so bryan, who is your TPG choice? ngc I presume, or do you still like pcgs? |
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murrellington, I got the FE at a local dealer. Though there are two guys on ebay I would trust to buy one from. As for the quarter, I bought it as a good, and I can go with that. Given the crud on the reverse bottom rim, how the rim is orn into america and In God We Trust being so worn, I would personally not go over good. |
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Wow, after looking at these I can DEFINITELY understand your frustration.
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That stinks! They did you no favors. Makes me less likely to ever use their services, especially considering the first hand reports of preferential treatment being given to big submitters over the little guy.
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Posted 06/29/2011 01:58 am
