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Eww...that's nasty.

There was a day....5 yrs ago or so, that I would have taken ICCS grading as "As close as it gets"..........now, up and down like a "toilet seat at a mixed party". If an ICCS holder has the old water mark and does not appear to have been tampered with......I would trust the grade to buy on-line sight unseen.

Gee, maybe that is why I watched people at the Spring Torex going from dealer to dealer buying old ICCS flips in the grade of AU, walk out to the lobby and cut them out...walk back in to the bourse and resubmit them......were they looking for higher grades maybe? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
And what does that do to the population report people love to quote? double Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

The last time I went to a Torex coin show I planned on leaving coins with ICCS in the bourse. Of course, my first priority was to visit with friends and shop the bourse and then leave my coins with them on the Sunday.
They didn't show up at their table on Sunday!! I did catch Brian at a dealers table on Sunday morning and told him I had ten coins to give him, but he could not wait while I did the paperwork.

In my opinion, the CCCS grade in a hard holder is Gold, where as the PCGS grade may be blatantly WRONG. Getting a MS65 (because of eye appeal), but is actually a technical 63, is wrong in my opinion. I trust the Graders from CCCS to be consistent, and in my opinion the holders are superior in clarity and UV A & B protection.

"My biggest issue with CCCS slabbing is loss of resale value, unfortunately."
That Should mean you are a buyer of CCCS coins? I would lower the $1000 hard slab point. Depends on the coin. Of course, I don't have a fixed price for many of my coins.

People are paying more for an ICCS graded coin vs CCCS is nothing more than naivity in my opinion. The grade slide and BLATENT mistakes made by ICCS in the last few years is obvious to any knowledgable collector. Of course dealers are going to tout ICCS because of the millions of dollars in inventory they are holding. A test was done by a member here by submitting nickel Dollars to ICCS, then comparing them to coins submitted by A Well Known large dealer......the results were astounding, but predictable in my opinion. The dealer got higher grades for inferior.....yes inferior coins. That is the way ICCS works. If people continue to take ICCS as Gospel, they are in for a shock. I have sat at Torex with dealers who will crush CCCS verbally for mistakes made in 2004, but then make excuses for ICCS about....Scott can not grade and Brian is almost blind....then in the next breath promote ICCS to the next customer.....because that is where the stock is! There was a time as I have said in this thread that ICCS was good. No longer. That brings all of the material they have graded under scrutiny to a smart collector. The ICCS pop report is a joke, the holders are a joke... Ask yourself.......why are you checking ICCS coins now with more scrutiny than before....ICCS uses a single grader, where as CCCS uses at least 2 for every coin! People are sheep....they will go where they are told until they learn for themselves.....hey wait a minute....this is not right? The dealers as well as collectors with huge amounts of ICCS flipped coins are going to defend as well as promote them.......Now ask yourself again, buy a conservative 64....or an unknown 65........But with CCCS you know what you are getting. CCCS also attempts to at least talk to any collector about any coin that they have graded.......Try that with ICCS..........Chortle....That is why ICCS still uses plastic flips.....they are not accountable in any way......all they have to do (and have) is say..."That must be a tampered holder! I did not give that coin that grade!" You have no recourse at all. Try to tamper with a CCCS hard slab....I did.....no way...... Now, please re-think your vote as to where ICCS should be in this poll.......

Buy what you like for a coin. If you want to put it in a TPG container, pick the one you like. Enjoy the hobby and your stash.