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 Posted 08/14/2011  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very likely to use the same dies for proofs and business strikes. On these you're talking about two to three times as many proofs being struck than business strikes. A die pair could easily strike all the proofs and still be in perfectly good shape to strike the handful of business strikes.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I'd like a bit of clarfication from anyone who can help - what are the proper diagnostics to run on this coin when I receive it? If the same die was used for business and proof strikes, how would I be better able to confirm it's strike type? Do I have to concern myself with the rim primarily? How would Ngc be able to distinguish the strikes?
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 Posted 08/16/2011  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it were me I'd get the best pics I possibly could & hope Prethen commented on them. I consider him to be the 3CN expert on the forum, & he owns the definitive reference book on the subject for comparison purposes.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could give it a shot, but I cannot guarantee that I'm 100% correct. However, those pictures have to be extremely good in detail; but not too large. Plus, you might have to get your hands on a rotation gauge.
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 Posted 08/19/2011  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just checking in - do you have the coin in hand yet? I am checking daily to see what it looks like and hopefully hear that you are as pleased as when you first posted.
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 Posted 08/21/2011  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No coin yet!! I just got back and it hasn't come... Hopefully tomorrow I can post an update and pictures
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 Posted 08/22/2011  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So the seller sent it to the wrong address and luckily it was returned to him. Sorry everyone, just wait a few more days!
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 Posted 08/22/2011  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well regardless you have one beautiful coin! I am just starting my 3c(non-silver) collection. I just picked up 2 1865 and 1866 in VF condition plus I love the Trimes as well.
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 Posted 08/27/2011  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK. So the coin is now in hand, and I have taken a bunch of photos to help us sort through this proof/business strike mess. Looking at the coin, it has prooflike fields... That said, I'm really going to need some help with this one! What kind of tests should I be running? Do I need to take other pictures? For comparison to a sure-thing proof, I put an 1889 proof in a few of the pictures.



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 Posted 08/27/2011  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And by the way, I only touched the rims in order to take a snapshot at angles, and didn't place the two coins on top of each other directly :)
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The original pics looked like a proof coin to me. Your new pictures show a good bit more detail but I can't make any kind of judgement from them. What's the chance of getting a straight on shot of the complete obverse & reverse? I think the lighting is distracting. Any way to light it without the reflection on the coin? Not trying to be critical...your pics are way better than mine generally are.
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 Posted 08/27/2011  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK here are a few pictures in different lighting


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 Posted 08/27/2011  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing coin . What is that mark on the obverse, is that from the lighting? I am crossing my fingers for a business strike but the consensus seems to lean toward proof. I am very interested to see how a final determination of which it is arises.

I think this was a wonderful find.
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 Posted 08/27/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks CoinsKelly! The mark on the obverse is really only noticeable from a certain angle, but it's a slight bit of discoloration. It's not raised nor depressed, it's just THERE. Can anyone help me out with any diagnostics?
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 Posted 08/27/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clarification: to determine what strike it is!
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