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1888/7 S1 Indian Cent - Any New Info. - Uncirculated

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Im very interested in any new information on the 1888/7 S1 Indian cent.
Any recent S1 coins found, is the sale price still going up, is demand for the coin still high. Any new pictures or ID markings. All the info. I find on the internet is the same for the past few years.

By the end of September I plan to have detailed pictures of my 1888 to post. I'm 100% certain it is a 8/7 S1 and the best part is, it is in uncirculated condition. When I have the pictures ready to post I will give more details. Just want to mention that the last 8 in the date is really something to see. The 8 is very bold and raised high from the field compared to the rest of the date. I think all the people who follow the 8/7 S1 will be pleased to see this one. Thanks for any info.
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Why end of Sept?
Why don't you certify?
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No pictures until September--are you getting it certified? In the meantime, here are a few shots of an authenticated Snow-1 1888/7

The date area--all S-1 have the same exact markers and position in relation to the bust and denticles:
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And, according to Rick Snow--this rim Cud will appear on every 1888/7. The size varies, but it's been on the 20 or so I've seen.
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It will be a few weeks before I can get a camera that will take quality pictures. I wanted to post some pictures and ask some grading questions before I send it.
I cant wait to get a clear picture of the rim at 9:00 position above the E. I have seen pictures of the different size rim Cud. Above the E on my coin has a tiny split on the rim with a crack or line (dont know what to call it) extending across two denticles. To put it another way, if the die had a crack in it the result would be a raised line. Other than this area above the E the rest of the rim is perfect front and back. Looks like this coin was struck in the beginning of the rim falling apart. This coin will shine a new light on 8/7 S1.
After its graded the rim will be covered so I wanted to get some nice pictures before I send it.
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I can't wait to see pictures, but we wont' be able to give you much info at all about your coin without pictures. It's hard to give current info too as not many are known to exist and they don't sell everyday. As far as I know, the coin is continually in demand due to their rarity and it being the only overdate in the IHC series.
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1888/7-S1-Indian-Cent----Any-New-Info.---Uncirculated
Still adjusting camera for better pictures. The edge of the rim above the E is split with a crack on the right side going up. When looking at the coin I can clearly see that it is raised, I think this coin may show where the die first began to break. I compared the placement of date, bust and rim of my coin with graded 8/7 s1 and found them to match.
If this coin is a early 8/7 s1 it would truly be one in a million, keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks for all replies...
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Your 1888 is sure a nice grade! Looks like your camera takes decent pics--how about a shot of the date area?
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I was changing settings as I was taking pictures (about 50) it was a fluke that this picture came out clear. I have one very nice picture of the back. I will post the best one of the front although it doesn't show any of the detail around the 8 (other than the height). Also you may notice the shield on the back has the same areas filled in as the graded 8/7 s1. I will resize and post the other 2 pics.
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Well...collectors here will be (understandably) skeptical of your claim until they see the markers for themselves.
Since I cannot see the rim Cud marker near LIBERTY, I naturally want to see the primary markers in the date area.
From what I can tell from the above pic, your camera has macro capabilities--unless there's some problem with autofocus.
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All the ones I've seen also have the rim Cud. I am by no means an expert, but I have my doubts without seeing any resemblence of Cud. Looks like a beautiful coin though! I would get some good pictures and send them to Rick Snow for analysis if you really think it's the S-1.
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Lets get a picture of the date already!
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1888/7-S1-Indian-Cent----Any-New-Info.---Uncirculated
This picture lacks all detail around the date, but it shows the date placement. In the picture you can barely see points of the seven on top of the eight. The top left of the eight has a triangle and the top right has a small bump. I'll get the date in focus. Also the upper loop of the last eight has a raised line that I see in graded s1.
I did see a setting for "macro" I'll try and find it for the next pics. It makes sense to me that if the rim Cud gets bigger with found coins then it must have started at some point.
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Your picture shows enough detail for a discussion of the markers.
I have taken your coin and compared to a confirmed 1888/7 Snow-1.
The best place to start in confirming any IHC variety is the date position.
Compared at "a", the 1 digit on both coins begins at a different place in relation to the nearest denticle.
This also correlates to "b", the gap between the bust point and the leftmost point of the 1. Your coin has a narrower gap.
Therefore, these two coins were struck with 2 different obverse dies--there is really no other explanation.
This explains the missing rim Cud, and notably why "c" is not visible on your coin, which is the stroke end of the 7 on the 1888/7.
The Snow-1 also shows markers at "d", where the upper left of the 7 protrudes slightly from the 8.

You have a nice example of the 1888, but it is not the overdate--we all had our hopes up!

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I agree, pretty coin, but normal date.
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Time to have it slabbed methinks.

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i have a 1888 coin but I cant ost a pic? any help? can send a pic to emial just cant download, I've shown it once today one said it was a fake one said couldnt tell?
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