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Mexican 8 Real 1839 Durango Mint?

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I can't seem to find any information about this coin I have. I'm not experienced in coins and have been trying to get an estimated value, or even find out if it is real or counterfeit. Any help would be appreciated.

"8R.D.1839R.L.10D.20G."

Mexican-8-Real-1839-Durango-Mint?

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 Posted 08/23/2011  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, welcome aboard !
I'm not sure you don't have any experience in coins (at least from the title of your post), but anyway. - Moderators, see what I mean ?
You should post clearer pictures, it's hard to see details with those two.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tinkerb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is the only information I was able to find about it online. I will try for better pictures.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is a Contemporary Circulating COUNTERFEIT - a copy of the Riddell # 377. Riddell lists it as about 50% silver but I have seen copies that are lower grade than that.

For anyone interested the BIGGEST and very conclusive clue here is that the Eagle used on this coin was DISCONTINUED in favor of the French version in 1832. This coin is actually a copy of a coin that was made in 1829 but with rays that tilt to the right too far.

This is a COLLECTABLE Counterfeit coin however - not one that needs to me marked with the word copy. It is completely LEGAL but on ebay would be a violation to post properly described. I would certainly be interested in this counterfeit.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The online sources relative to the Mexican Cap and Ray series are not the best. The best book on the subject is RESPLANDORES - but it costs $125. The only book on the Counterfeits is Riddell's book - about $20 as a reprint and free on line.

If you ever get to the point where you want to sell it let me know.
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Where can I find Riddell's book on counterfeits online?
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 Posted 08/24/2011  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tinkerb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you :)
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 Posted 08/29/2011  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tinkerb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Swamper, approximately how much would the coin go for?
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 Posted 09/02/2011  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is in the $65 range
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 Posted 09/06/2011  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tinkerb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. If you're still interested, I can list it for you.
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 Posted 09/07/2011  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure - let me know when and how you plan to do it.
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I can't e-mail through this site yet but I did send a message on e-bay. Can do that.
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tinkerb I sent you an email today. Please let me know how you want to proceed.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't a coin of this date and mintmark have both R.L. and R.M. on it? I can't find a listing for just that one engraver (R.L.). The closest listing I can find is 1839/1 Do RM/RL. I can't imagine why a counterfeiter would want to change the coin's design - so I think that this was tossed into a bulk deal, hoping it would pass as real.

Am I way off base?
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As swamperbob said earlier, this coin is a Contemporary Circulating COUNTERFEIT - which is collectable.
It's not a modern chinese crap :)
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