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"Unsearched" Rolls On Ebay... Is It Fraud?

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 Posted 09/02/2011  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#With this thread I feel like I am "preaching to the choir" LOL... but now back to my original question:


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So, if you purchased a roll or two of these "unsearched" rolls and you find every single one of them are 1959D wheat cents or even a single '59 non-wheat cent), do you have cause to yell foul and try to return them, and if/then the seller refuses, file a ebay buyer's protection claim?


You fall for the hype, you get coins that suck and you feel ripped off. Do you fight to return them?

Les
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 Posted 09/02/2011  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southerngent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You will never find a 1959 D Wheat cent as they stoped in 58. I tried the unsearch rolls and will never again. They do a good job of hooking you but it's always the same! I suggest you take everything you read on ebay with a very large grain of salt and the same for the creatively taken pictures. If it looks Unc, it's probably AU. If you always consider the coin to be at least one grade lower than they say of the picture looks you will be disapointed less often.

Return anything that is not right even if you loose the freight!
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One collector found a 1909-SVDB
And it's not worthwhile for that dealer to search them himself--or hire some extra help? I recall a LWC circulation survey done sometime in the 1920s. By then, all the 09-SVDB were removed from circulation; even non-collectors looked for them. Banks don't hold onto coins anywhere that long.
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 Posted 09/02/2011  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mwr1550 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unsearched rolls? gotta be true. ANd after you buy them why don't you invest in a ski resoprt I'm opening in Nebraska
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 Posted 09/03/2011  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find it odd these unsearched rolls sometimes have a Mercury dime or indian head at the ends of the rolls.
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It took 3 purchases to learn how evil and delusional people can be when is about money !

I bought a 1300 coins lot o unserched LWC's on ebay per about $70 on ebay and what desapoitement !

I bought a 1000 coin lot of LWC's on ebay was even worse per $50 my second mistake

I bought a 1000 coin lot on a site and it was even worse per $80

Hurt my feelings everytime I think about it . The coins are only unsearched if it comes in a bag or roll full of ms and same dates coins otherwise is fake ! Trust me there is no such thing as unsearched rolls or bag of unsearched coins . The half of the coins from these lots are corroded junk that coin couter wont even accept , just buy the low mintage yourself and you ll save a lot of headache and frustation and money !
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 Posted 09/03/2011  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flotsam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you don't go in with any expectations it will be fine. On the other hand I did get a roll of Mercurys that was a real prize once, had a whole bunch of AU & Unc coins.
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My favorite is the guy who has found a "hoard" of wheat back rolls, each of which somehow has an Indian Head cent on both ends. What are the odds that hundreds (or thousands) of rolls would each have an IHC on each end (and almost none in the middle)?

And yes, I bought a few of these rolls, just for the heck of it. And no, I didn't find anything even semi-decent in the rolls. At the time, though, I didn't bother complaining because (a) I really didn't pay too much, (b) I was actually looking for some worn IHCs and LWCs to give to my 6-year-old and (c) I figured there was no way I could prove that the rolls had been searched and salted. I certainly wasn't expecting to find any treasure, but I was disappointed that the the majority of the coins were very worn and later years.
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So, if you purchased a roll or two of these "unsearched" rolls and you find every single one of them are 1959D wheat cents or even a single '59 non-wheat cent), do you have cause to yell foul and try to return them, and if/then the seller refuses, file a ebay buyer's protection claim?



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You will never find a 1959 D Wheat cent as they stoped in 58.


Sorry, it was a typo. I meant to type 1958D, not 1959D. Yes, I do know they stopped making wheats in 1958.

Les

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As far as being crimped on both ends, I bought a crimper and white ND String rolls last year. With very little practice they do look machine rolled. I got the itch to put together roll sets, its fun and they look cool. I'm actually going to sell some on ecrater once I decide to not be so lazy! But its scummy to say unsearched rolls, I know a dealer who puts key dates on the ends and fills in 48 common dates and sells them for $100+. He told me straight out he did it. Needless to say I skip his table at the coin shows.
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Yup all you need to create ''unsearched rolls'' of wheats is a Coin Wrapping Machine and of course enough wheats to fill a roll.
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Shouldn't the sellers that peddle these rolls be reported to ebay as fraudulent?

Les
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 Posted 09/05/2011  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you search hard enough, you can also find rolls of unsearched 2011 pennies at the bank I hate those ads for unsearched lots, bunch of BS in my opinion and I mean it in the nicest way possible.
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I got to thinking and googled, looking at "odds" and "probability calculator" thinking that some beautiful mind out there that might be a mathematician or a calculus or algebra genius and could go to a green chalkboard and come up with what the odds are for #1 unit and # 50 unit to randomly be at position # 1 and position # 50 by chance.

What astronomical odds would it be to throw the ace of diamonds and the ace of clubs out of a normal deck of cards, shuffle the deck, better yet, just throw the cards in the air and ask a three year old to pick them all up and hand them to you and you find you have the ace of spades showing face up on top and on the bottom have the ace of clubs showing face down?

Now, what are the odds of doing this with 100 decks and getting the same results?

Who can tell me these odds?
For this to happen in one deck, it is probably 1 in 49 x 49 x 49 or something like that.
Maybe 1 in 117,649.
Heck I don't know, but for it to happen in every deck?
It is 1 in a billion trillion gazillion I guess.

That's what these unsearched rolls are. Junk in the middle and the ends are culled semi key coins or less with the best condition side of the coin looking out.

Just coins dumped in a rolling machine and that's how they come out. Nothing fishy, just the luck of the draw.
Yeah right, Mr. David Hannum : "There's a sucker born every minute".
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 Posted 09/06/2011  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am tempted to order a roll or two and if I suspect they are indeed searched, then I'll fight it. We need to expose these fraud auctions. I'll report my findings here if I decide to do it.

Les
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