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Condition Census VAM On The 'Bay

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 Posted 09/04/2011  6:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-S-Morg...360391642955

VAM-6A, only one other MS65 on record and none higher. The price is a bit steep for a 65, more than I'd pay but the seller is accepting offers. Too rich for my blood, maybe not yours.
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 Posted 09/05/2011  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is a classic example...of grading...and the TPG's
from before....and now....You know the VAM, I only quick glanced the GRADE....I think today it would grade MS64+ mabey CAC, not ms65....but then is this the trouble between, older grading in HOLDERS and what you will/get/submitt...received grades.....nice coin thought...
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 Posted 09/05/2011  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A little confused ?
That holder does not look like an older holder to me.
Unless old is 2 years. Looks like a nice coin to me.
Grade seems more than fair. Not sure without actually having
the coin in hand about any problems with it.
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I think a 64* would be the right grade on this with NGC. I have seen some nice grades given out on a few of late that make you shake your head from NGC. Even the dealer that got them back was laughing, he sent in a roll of 1904 O's and got 3 back at MS66 and 10 at MS-65 and 7 at MS-64. 65's Maybe but not a one would grade 66 anywhere, I thick they refer to it as a gift.

I made him an Offer on this one Dave but his counter was to steep. Maybe if I had it in hand.. but it is not the Vam-6b
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 Posted 09/05/2011  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Maybe if I had it in hand.. but it is not the Vam-6b


Yeah, 6A is a "buy and wait for the hobby to catch up" kinda coin. I've got an EF/AU one on my desk which only shows the mint mark under specific lighting and magnification - you simply cannot see a mint mark with the naked eye - and I suspect that many, if not most, "6B's" are like that. But I can't call it 6B, because I can detect a mint mark.

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The scanner can't see it, either, but it's there.

It's very rare that a Grease Fill forms a perfect flat surface. I've handled a few 1921-D "tru_t" coins, and every single one showed some slight impression of the "s" under magnification.
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Dave if it was in a PCGS slab his price is about right. Grey sheet has the S mint 1921 at over 1,000.00 but I still find that over priced for a 1921. With over 80 million 1921 Morgans struck I just cant get my head around a grand for a MS-65. I can make out the mm on this one even with fuzzy photos so great call on the Vam-6a.

NGC of late scares me I have 3 that have to go back for re-slabbing. 1 is a slabbed 1883 O that is a 1881 S and I am sure is not a MS-64 like the slab states more like a 63. The second is that Proof Indent I posted a wile back that they slabbed as a strike thru, 3 letters for WELL KNOWN ERROR dealers will fix that, and the 3rd is a 1878 7/8 STRONG slabbed as a 7tf how that was missed I have no clue. So my faith in them at this point is a bit shaken, all where submitted by me through friends or local dealers. So I know it was not some type of conspiracy. :)
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 Posted 09/06/2011  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NGC is earning people's lack of faith.

MS65 1921-S's are going in the $600 range, with occasional outliers, on Heritage. Nobody on ebay seems to realize they're not as scare in Gem as they used to be; it's one of the more overpriced offerings on the 'bay.
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In my opinion, Russ is correct,64-64+, I do not see this as a gem MS65 Morgan, I also do not see this as an "older" slab, just my opinion.......
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