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Is Collectible Silver Bullion Getting Unrealistic ?

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 Posted 09/08/2011  10:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add west- canuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Put these 1 oz bars on my watch list and I'm amazed at what the prices these are realizing, $86 and $128 for RCM 1 oz bars and the bidding still has 10 min. left. This is way more than I would even consider.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1oz-Si...em3cbbab02a1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1oz-Si...em3cbbab0391
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 Posted 09/09/2011  05:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For many of those items you are paying for rarity on top of bullion value. I think they are way overpriced but that is why I will only pay bullion prices now because if prices drop you will never recoup that premium.
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 Posted 09/09/2011  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imohtep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had someone point out to me that sometimes buying large amounts of silver coins ( like 10c, 25c, 50c and 1d ) is more worth your while if they're "junkers" because people will sell them at very close to melt value and if the worlds monetary system re-converts to the use of precious metals, well you're already set with whatever you have saved up :) this is one of the main reasons I roll hunt quarters every week pulling on average 1-2 dollars face value in silver coinage every 1-2 weeks. It may be a long process but it fills holes in albums and now that I have 1959-1968 in silver quarters ( canadian ), most of the silver quarters I pull are years I already have. I'm about 3/4 of the way filling a quarter tube with "junker" silvers.

And think..the only money I'm spending is the face value of whatever I pull out :)
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 Posted 09/09/2011  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, there is often a stiff premium for "rare" items. Unfortunately, this term tends to be WAY over-used, IMHO. Many scams out there tend to use it, for example. I would FAR rather have 2 ozs. of non-rare silver bullion than 1 oz. of rare silver bullion.
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 Posted 09/09/2011  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Taken up roll hunting too recently. Though I'm getting weirder stuff, like euros, a japanese coin, and the occasional dime. Also very close to completing the american State Quarter set, all from roll hunting quarters only.

I would argue that the rarer bullion is protected from large silver-price fluctuation because of its numismatic value. The minimal experience I have buying and selling privy-marked maple leafs taught me that the limited issue coins will rise and fall with spot silver slower than standard issue coins (at least on ebay).
That said, I still do sell most of my "rare" bullion to fund the growing collection of "regular" ones.

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 Posted 09/09/2011  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sold six 1 oz coins earlier in the week for 800$. Its because they where rare that I got significantly more then spot.

It was for a full set of star wars coins that where a low mintage in 1987. Hard to find and they where all in perfect condition.

So paying like 70$ or more for a 2011 ASE yes I think its quite silly. Id rather just go buy a older one for melt or slightly less then melt thats not in perfect shape. However truely rare collector items that have value over its PM value is what can make gold or silver bullion very exciting.
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 Posted 09/10/2011  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"full set of star wars coins that where a low mintage in 1987"

Double edged sword, silver an genre....

I have always said I would prefer to go after the harder to get rare items, as they will always bring more. Spend less, get less, spend more get more. And in the end I could care less how much I like something, as I am always more concerned with how much the masses like what I am investing in....

I put four hundred in a complete set of die-cast Star wars ships from 1980 not long back oddly enough, and you could count the tiny paint chips on one hand of all 11 ships, most rare for 32 year old loose toys. The hard to find Tie Bomber cost me $136 alone, and the other two on ebay are BIN $200 or $300 loose and the two in boxes are BIN 3 grand plus. And the two loose ones are no where as nice as the one I got for $136. The other 10 ships go for $10 to $40 each depending on condition and being complete or not....

You could go right now to ebay an type in die cast vintage star wars, and find many examples, but zero as nice and 100% complete as my set. I hand picked each ship like a king fisher. Now then complete sets with Tie Bomber brings $650 on ebay, my set will bring $800 to 1000, or I will not sell it. When it does sell, I will convert that money into more high premium Pm's....

I sell anything not nailed down minus gold, lol. I even have all my ice hockey goalie gear up for sale now on ebay now that I am retired, and it is gonna sell, and that is gonna become more gold baby!
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 Posted 09/10/2011  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rastatodd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a bullion stacker and I am pretty much on the sideline in that respect.The premiums being realized now a days is CRAZY. I have turned my attention to junk American silver on ebay. But even the premiums there are just as insane. I might have to give roll searching a try.
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Being willing to sell anything (for the right price) is a good way to go about it Silverhawk :). I grabbed the star wars coins for 200 just last month :D.

As for gold I was thinking I might sell my 1834 gold coin and buy lots of silver with it rofl... To each their own :D.
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I would argue that the rarer bullion is protected from large silver-price fluctuation because of its numismatic value.

Go ahead and argue that. You will be right part of the time. Those who collect silver bullion for a possible SHTF scenario understand that the numismatic value of a coin will be among the 1st casualties when one has to barter silver coins or bars for food or other essentials. Although there is fraud in the bullion area, there seems to be much more of it in the numismatic area. At least, that has been my observation.
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 Posted 09/12/2011  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"if the worlds monetary system re-converts to the use of precious metals"

LOL...what? here? LOL this planet? with these puppets in play?
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 Posted 09/12/2011  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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LOL...what? here? LOL this planet? with these puppets in play?

Yep... and you can bet that they will be kicking, screaming, and leaving fingernail drag marks every inch of the way too.

As with MANY truly good ideas, this one will only be embraced after ALL others have failed.
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 Posted 09/12/2011  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You will be right part of the time. Those who collect silver bullion for a possible SHTF scenario understand that the numismatic value of a coin will be among the 1st casualties when one has to barter silver coins or bars for food or other essentials.


Warning heeded Ed, though, like a slow cooking frog, i'll likely keep at the semi numismatic/rarer bullion since most of my profits from buying and selling PMs come from that category. Averaging ~30% return within 2 months now that my wife and I have developed a better eye for what will sell. Straight up bullion on the other hand, is fairing ~%5.
SHTF scenario is another story altogether. I'll cross my fingers that collectors in us, or at least the richer lot, are still willing to offer 2 loafs of bread for that rarer silver coin instead of 1. Until then, still a happy camper
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 Posted 09/13/2011  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea, its ridiculous.

Smart business decision though.

Everyone know, low mintage = Value
Release 10, 1 ounce silver items. Limit mintage to like 10k. charge 4-5 times its value.

Profit.

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 Posted 09/13/2011  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Warning heeded Ed, though, like a slow cooking frog, i'll likely keep at the semi numismatic/rarer bullion since most of my profits from buying and selling PMs come from that category. Averaging ~30% return within 2 months now that my wife and I have developed a better eye for what will sell. Straight up bullion on the other hand, is fairing ~%5.

There are many reasons for owning PMs and most of them are pretty good ones. If you are making numismatic coins work and produce profits for you, then great. Go for it and make lots of money with which to buy whatever makes you happy. Buying and selling is not my thing, so numismatics aren't of interest to me. I know that a lot of others out there disagree and that's fine. There's plenty of room on the PM bus for everyone who wants to ride it.


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SHTF scenario is another story altogether. I'll cross my fingers that collectors in us, or at least the richer lot, are still willing to offer 2 loafs of bread for that rarer silver coin instead of 1. Until then, still a happy camper

Indeed it is and that is my primary reason for owning bullion. Wealth protection from inflation is the 2nd reason. The fact that I enjoy collecting silver coins and bars and looking at them from time to time is a distant 3rd but still a viable reason for owning them. My silver is an insurance policy against financial collapse, extended depression, and a number of other financial disasters. Like most collectors, I HOPE that I will never need to use it this way because if I do it will mean that many of my countrymen will be suffering terribly. I would FAR rather just continue to collect what I can afford and then pass it along to my kids and grand kids someday.

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 Posted 09/13/2011  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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