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Doesn't Electrotype = Fake?

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I thought it did but correct me if I am wrong:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fugio-cent-...ht_500wt_922


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 Posted 10/09/2011  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hambone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. But a very old fake lol

I dont understand either, wouldnt buy one myself.
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reproductions
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 Posted 10/09/2011  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am constantly getting email from ebay on electrotypes since I watch these and would not mind owning a couple classics I could never be able to otherwise afford.
Here is an ANACS article that is about an auction with electrotypes.
Some are worth thousands of dollars to collectors. Some are quite old and others are more recent.


ANACS electrotype LINK
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I was thinking the same thing today when I saw this coin on ebay. I was wondering why it went for so cheap.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Large-cent-...em20bd6565ab
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"Copy" or "Reproduction" would be a correct term. The seller is obviously making no intention to deceive.

Normally electrotypes are of one side only.
When both sides are copied and joined together, the edge joint is usually obvious. This is one of many ways in which fakes of ancient coins are made.

Both sides seem to be joined with the Cent pictured here....so why is it nor a fake?......Like I said, the seller is obviously not attempting to sell it as a genuine coin. That may well bring a problem later on, when a re-seller, either by ignorance or deceit, may attempt to sell it as genuine.

It becomes a matter of legal definition at the point of sale.

Museums often make electrotypes of coins medals etc., and sometimes they sell them as such, quite often when they are getting rid of old stock. In almost all of these cases, only one sided electrotypes are sold.

Caveat Emptor!
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electrotype is to fake as
religion is to cult

just a matter of having a good press agent.
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Thanks for that link, TheNickelGuy. Really an interesting article since it so detailed the method of manufacturing those fakes.
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Electrotype of a 1793 Chain Cent: (Supposedly from around 1850...)



Doesn't-Electrotype-=-Fake? Doesn't-Electrotype-=-Fake?


and yes, electrotype= fake.
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I think it is a bit simplistic to refer to electrotypes as "fakes", that basically puts them on par with Chinese counterfeits but they are nothing like that at all. You cannot create an electrotype without having an authentic host coin and the process is very laborious. They should be considered high quality reproductions of otherwise unobtainable coins.
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That link was very good! I had thought that copies of coins were required to have "COPY" stamp on them but I understand that is not always the case. I don't think I could pay money for an electrotype but understand how someone would find it desirable. Kind of like having a high end and numbered print of a piece of art versus a mass produced poster of the same art.
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The COPY law passed in the 70's, IIRC.
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The 1793 liberty cap in my large cent collection is an electrotype. It is a really cool hole filler but certainly not the real thing. Actually it is quite cool and one of my favorites in that series. I could never afford a real one so I figured what the heck. I know the person that made mine so that makes it even more interesting to me.
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