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 Posted 01/02/2008  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add neuron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the update I received on 1/2/2008 (long!):
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January 2. 2008

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters,

Happy New Year! New 2008 Liberty Dollar for 10th Anniversary!

HOT ITEM: If you have not read <edited by tights24 to keep family friendly> "The New Republic" dated Friday, December 21, 2007 please click HERE for article.

Now let me be perfectly clear. We have never presented the Liberty Dollar as "coin", "legal tender" or "current money". In fact, our whole marketing plan is based on the fact that it is NOT government money. We have never advocated violence, racism, revolution or even the collapse of the US dollar. We have no ill will for the US government or its dreadful money. And as we have not received a cease and desist order, why shouldn't we continue to advocate the type of currency mandated by the US Constitution?

From day one in 1998 our goal has been to simply offer a "private voluntary barter currency" that was "inflation proof" and put a powerful tool in the people's hands. As stated on 500,000+ gold and silver Certificates still in circulation, the Liberty Dollar is "an exercise of the bearer's First Amendment right to petition the government for a silver based currency as mandated by the US Constitution."

Click HERE for the new 2008 $20 Liberty Dollar that contains one ounce of .999 fine silver. Two innovations have been incorporated into its design to eliminate any possible confusion:

First, the 2008 Liberty Dollar is a "private voluntary barter currency" (PVBC) and that acronym has been added to the currency so there is no confusion about the Liberty Dollar. It is NOT government money! Who would want that kiss of death?!

Second, in keeping with other "brand name" practices, the acronym MSRP (Manufacturers Suggest Retail Price) has been added to fully disclose that the face value of $20 is the MSRP. Please note, the $20 Liberty Dollar is NOT denominated in US dollars! It can't be because the US dollar is not backed by anything except the foul hot air from politicians. The Liberty Dollar is a NEW currency. It is denominated in "Liberty Dollars" because it is .999 fine silver.

In celebration of the Tenth Anniversary of the Liberty Dollar, I am very pleased to announce the new 2008 one ounce $20 Silver Liberty Dollar will feature a special 10th Anniversary Hallmark!* In fact, all the 2008 Silver Liberty Dollars will be "localized" with a custom Hallmark*. That's right, the reverse of the 2008 Silver Liberty Dollar will be hand stamped with a punch and sledgehammer by the Regional Currency Officer. Each Liberty Dollar will carry the name of the city, business, region, church or group to maximize local acceptance and defy the US Mint warning that "use" of the Liberty Dollar is illegal. The Liberty Dollar does not violate Title 18, Section 486.

The new 2008 Liberty Dollar is in production and we are open for business. Please visit us online HERE or the Shopping Cart and order now with PayPal! Fulfillment is anticipated before the end of the January. Please order now.

This unique "local hallmark" concept is a direct result of the conference calls I had with the Regional Currency Officers (RCOs), who told me to either mint more Liberty Dollars to meet their merchants' and clients' demands or they would make their own.

Well, faced with more walk-in customers at the Evansville office, mounting demand from the public at large, raging ebay prices and a RCO rebellion, I quickly designed a new "generic" Liberty Dollar that allows the Regional Currency Officers to actually "coin", i.e. to "stamp", their own local custom Hallmark on the reverse of the new $20 Silver Liberty Dollar. This new gorilla tactic explodes the Liberty Dollar model while decentralizing it for more grassroots activism.

Now, anybody can issue a Liberty Dollar with his or her own custom Hallmark and capitalize on the silver market that is blasting off. Now, as inflation explodes, is the time to get on board with the new currency. Hey, you must be crazy not to protect your money and make more money. with the Liberty Dollar!

It only costs $1000, renewable annually, to become a RCO and another $200 for your own custom Hallmark. Now you can hallmark your name, company, family, church, organization, region, city, state or almost anything, on the new $20 one-ounce 2008 Liberty Dollar. A special Numbered Edition of all the Hallmarked Libertys is planned so every RCO can offer these numbered Libertys at a higher collector price and recover the costs of their Hallmark stamp.

The new "Dealer Network" of RCOs enjoys the same wholesale rate of Spot plus $3 and can order as few as 20 Silver Libertys at a time! Certified Businesses and Liberty Associates still earn a commission and profit on all exchanges from USD to ALD with their RCO. Plus everybody who has joined the Wrongful Seizure Lawsuit (formally known as Class Action Lawsuit) is now a Liberty Associate for FREE. Please note: the cost to become a Liberty Associate will change dynamically to $500 when the Liberty Dollar "Moves Up" to the $50 Silver base. Best to get on board now!

Announcing the first "Public Hallmarking" of the 2008 Liberty Dollar will be held in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at Jim's Farmers Market. If you are interested in the Liberty Dollar and want to experience it in action, come to Chambersburg on Saturday, March 1! Plus a special screening of "Fiat Empire" will be presented on Thursday evening, February 28 and a special Town Meeting is planned for Friday. I plan to attend all the events and hope you will come too. For more info, please contact Pete Hallock at pete@chambersburglibertydollar.com, or visit him on line at http://www.chambersburglibertydollar.com.

On the economic front, November gasoline surged a shocking, record-shattering, 34.8%! That is an annualized rate of over 417%!

We the people. need to take control of our country's monetary system... before it is too late. That starts with you taking control of your money and deciding what money you want to use. Do you want money that appreciates or one that depreciates?! How simple can it be?!

This is not the time to be faint-of-heart. Now is the time to get the Liberty Dollar in as many hands as possible. PLEASE take action pronto!

The last thing we want is the US dollar to collapse. This would be terrible, beyond words. That is the main reason the Liberty Dollar is designed to be a "private voluntary barter currency" and functions on a dollar-to-dollar exchange basis with the US dollar. The Liberty Dollar provides a gradual, evolutionary monetary model to return our country to a value based currency. Even if it was featured on CNN, CNBC or on the front pages of the Washington Post and the USA Today as it was, not everybody gets "on board" at once.

How long did it take you to get "on board" with the Liberty Dollar after you heard about it? A week? A month? It usually takes people up to a year! Just like yourself, everybody has to do their "due diligence", get their head around "real money" and that simply takes time.

Recently, my friend and fellow Federal Reserve buster, Martin Weiss, listed the three mega forces that are shaping the global market that will drive gold and silver to unbelievable heights:

Megaforce #1: Massive, Rapid Growth of the World's Largest and Most Populous Continent: Imagine a continent five times larger than the lower 48 states with thirteen times the population. Then imagine a socio-economic transformation that combines the Industrial Revolution, the Information Age, and the rapid birth of fervent entrepreneurial spirit, all concentrated into one short generation. That's the phenomenon in Asia today.

Megaforce #2: The Plunging U.S. Dollar: The U.S. dollar has now crossed a landmark that will go down in history as the turning point of our era: The greenback has plunged below its all-time low in 1992 to its lowest level of all time.

With this single, landmark event, the dollar has crossed from a period of slow, orderly declines ... to a new era of rapid, chaotic declines; from a time when its impact could be ignored ... to a time when its impact will be felt everywhere, especially on those assets that rise the most when the dollar falls - natural resources like gold and silver!

Megaforce #3: Central Banks Flooding The World With Paper Money And With Wild Abandon! The world's monetary authorities see the U.S. housing market in its worst downturn of modern times. They see hundreds of mortgage lenders going broke or on the brink. And they see financial firms reeling from tens of billions of dollars in losses. So they're panicking! Running the printing presses overtime! Danger Ahead!
Please visit Martin at http://www.moneyandmarkets.com for more info:


As the greenback sinks, so does your purchasing power. and so does your ability to provide simple things like food and housing for yourself and your family. Times are not dire. yet. but we are closer every day. to a global hyperinflationary depression.

As the greenback sinks, metals will appreciate and give rise to a new value based currency. this will not happen by design but by simple need. Why did the US government become FedEx's largest customer after it did everything to kill it in the early 1970's? Because of need. Ditto with the Liberty Dollar - the "FedEx of Money".

ATTENTION: Again this is not the time to be faint-of-heart. We need to get the Liberty Dollar in as many hands as possible ASAP! This is the time to protect your money and help return our country to a valued based monetary system with the Liberty Dollar. before it is too late. Please click HERE to order your 2008 Liberty Dollar online today!

LIBERTY ASSOCIATES AND CERTIFIED BUSINESSES are urged to contact a RCO for the new 2008 Liberty Dollar, even if you are not in their "region". The Fulfillment office in Evansville is "surviving" on one person and donations. All orders for less than twenty, one-ounce $20 Silver Liberty Dollars, are at Face Value. Associate Orders for twenty one-ounce $20 Silver Liberty Dollars will receive one free $20 Silver Liberty for every 20 ordered. Shipping for twenty one-ounce $20 Silver Liberty Dollars is $8.95. Please click HERE for a current list of RCOs.

Liberty Dollar has launched its own ebay auction to liquidate the Liberty Dollars that have been donated. Please visit us on ebay at: http://stores.ebay.com/Official-LIb...Dollar-Store

Wait! There is more news. Thanks to Amir Hirsch, a MIT student, now there is the chocolate standard! Chocolate Ron Paul "Coins" that commemorates the absurdity of the FBI raid in an edible way with chocolate money that is sound money and sweet liberty! Only time will tell if the FBI will have the audacity to raid a chocolate factory that manufacturers Chocolate Ron Paul "Coins"! Please visit http://www.ronpaulchocolate.com to order.

If you missed the earlier announcement, please check out Ron Paul's new legislation "Free Competition in Currency Act" that was introduced on December 13, 2007 and mentions the "Liberty Dollar" and "asset forfeiture". WOW. Click HERE for Congressman Paul's introductory statement.

Please don't let the government steal your money! The FBI is moving aggressively to forfeit "their" seizures for auction. Please make a donation to "Bernard" as we still have not opened a bank account and mail it to: BERNARD, 225 N. Stockwell Road. Evansville. IN. 47715. Phone: 812.473.5250.

ATTENTION: Our country's currency is at risk. Just look at what's happening. Some people imagine that they can convert their US dollars into another fiat currency such as Euros to protect their purchasing power. But that is a false hope. The European Central Bank just pumped HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS (E349 billion) into the global monetary system. Where did they get such a staggering amount of money overnight?! Out of thin air! I am seriously concerned about the value of the US dollar and my own purchasing power. Lets head off this train wreck by providing a choice of money in the marketplace. Currently eGold, GoldMoney and the Liberty Dollar is available. Of course, I prefer the Liberty Dollar because of its ease of use, physical attraction, and profitability for users and political message for a sound monetary system.

It is time to take a stand. Do we the people have the right to choose our money, or not? Do we live in a free market economy or not? Are we free, or are we not?

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your support and donations. I just wish I had time to contact every one of you. You are the reason why the Liberty Dollar is here!

Again thank you for your support!

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect/Editor

*A hallmark, is a mark struck on precious metal items to identify its distinguishing characteristic. Historically, hallmarks were applied by a trusted party such as the assay office to guarantee a certain weight or fineness of the metal. From ancient Byzantine hallmarks to the Vienna Hallmark Convention in 1973, hallmarks have been used to mark the fineness and unique characteristics on precious metal items. Such is the case with the hallmarked 2008 Liberty Dollar and the "Arrest Dollar" with the "Handcuffs" hallmark.
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 Posted 01/16/2008  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add neuron to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the latest update, from today:
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Wednesday, January 16, 2008

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

FLASH: I just receive the first 2008 Liberty Dollars! And they are terrific! Check out the images and order HERE! With silver over $16 per ounce, please read this whole Alert and then place your order to support the Liberty Dollar and protect your purchasing power with the new hallmarked, "inflation proof" 2008 Liberty Dollar.

PAYPAL: If you ordered via PayPal, please be sure to read the update below.

TAKING THE HEAT: We have received a few calls asking if we can make new Dollars, why can't we fill the old orders. The simple reason is because we don't have the product and to make matters worse, the bank account is frozen so we can't return the money. New orders are financed by donations or from new orders. I would like nothing better than fill or at least return all your money. We are seeking to retain an attorney to do just that ASAP! But even that has proven problematic as all the funds are frozen.

BIG NEWS: Silver is UP! Liberty Dollar is set to Move Up to the $50 Silver Base!
Get ready to double your money. again!

Please read this important statement: Doesn't it just make sense that when the underlying commodity that backs the currency increases in value, shouldn't the purchasing power of that currency also increase in value? Of course! And isn't that the essence of an inflation proof currency? Absolutely! In fact, when you think about it, the only way the Liberty Dollar can accommodate higher commodity prices is to increase its Face Value. And that is why the ALD Moved Up to the $20 Silver Base, on Thanksgiving Day, Thursday, November 24, 2005.

We are preparing now to Move Up from the $20 to the $50! WOW! Whereas the first Move Up was only a ten dollar difference (20-10=10), this second Move Up will provide a thirty dollar difference (50-20=30). This will give the currency a much wider window of operation and much larger margin of profit for you. And while early Liberty Dollar supporters doubled their money on the first Move Up, this time your purchasing power will increase two and half times! Or 500% if you started with the $10 Base. Is there anybody who does not want to double his or her money? If so, please continue to use the depreciating US dollar.

With such a dynamic currency model, there is usually a bit of confusion as newbies retrofit their economic heads around the free market Liberty Dollar. Of so, please re-read the "important statement' above. Usually, it's the "educated" economists that have the most difficulty and especially anybody with a PhD. But I am happy to report that most Americans, like myself, simply understand that the price of gasoline is not going up, it is the value of the US dollar that is going down, and want to protect their purchasing power. Please don't over intellectualize the money problem. You are being ripped off, clear and simple. Either you want to take action or don't.

As stated when the Liberty Dollar econometric model was first introduced on October 1, 1998, the Liberty Dollar would Move Up to the $50 Silver Base when the 30 day moving average for silver stayed over $16 for 45 consecutive calendar days. Now with the spot price of silver over $16, this is the currency's first test to Move Up to the $50 Base.

Will it happen? That's anybody's guess. When the Liberty Dollar Moved Up to the $20 Base it happened the third try. But as government spends money like a drunken sailor, and more of your purchasing power is stolen (deceptively labeled "inflation" by the government). prices will "rise" and you will be poorer. unless you take action. Trust me, sooner or later, the Liberty Dollar will Move Up to the $50 Silver Base.

But the currency will not Move Up until the 30 day moving average for silver has stayed over $16 for 45 consecutive calendar days. With silver over $16 and the 30 day moving average already at $14.71 last Friday, January 11, the Liberty Dollar could conceivably Move Up within 75 days or about April 1, no joke!

As the Move Up Point is very important, the Liberty Dollar uses an independent, third party source for its 30 DMA so there is a definitive point that is readily available and easily verifiable by everyone. The Liberty Dollar provides total transparency for this econometric stability-inducing feature that protects it from the erratic actions of a free silver market. The 30 DMA is available from ScotiaMocotta, a division of the Bank of Nova Scotia in Canada, at: http://www.scotiamocatta.com/prec/p...m_daily.pdf. The 30 DMA is listed at the bottom of page 3.

For more info and history on the Liberty Dollar Move Up and its disciplined econometric features, please visit: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/abo...-doubles.htm
And http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/faq...-twenty.htm.

The Move Up to a new base could be painful as we enter "No Man's Land". Why is it called "No Man's Land"? Because nobody wants to be there! As the Liberty Dollar is a "free market currency" it's pricing is market driven. So while the spot silver price is over $16 per ounce, the MSRP for the $20 Silver Liberty will be spot plus $5. Discount and commissions for Liberty Associates will return after we pass through "No Man's Land" and Moved Up to the $50 Silver Base.

Now, as we experienced during the first Move Up, some people thought that the time just prior to the Move Up was the worst time to get a Liberty Dollar. Exactly the opposite! NOW is the best time to get the Liberty Dollar. Do you want 2.5 times your money? If you were going to buy a stock, would you want to buy it before or after it split? Before, of course. Ditto with the Liberty Dollar! Now is the best time to get the Liberty Dollar.

Want to get the best deal? Open a Regional Currency Office and get the $20 Liberty Dollar at only $3 over spot. Plus you can regionalize your Libertys with a custom Hallmark with the name of your town, business, family, organization, almost anything! Hey, are you serious about returning the country to the original founding principles. or not?! Liberty Dollar provides you that vehicle with a profit!

Do you think we will have inflationary times in the future? Were you aware the United States had 5,000% inflation over two hundred years ago?

It's true - when the Continental Congress declared war on England, it had no means to pay for the American Revolution because it had neither money nor the power to tax. America began with little more than the hope and a prayer by a few strong willed people who wanted to be free at any cost. The American war effort was largely financed by inflation and meager contributions from the States. In 1775, when the Revolutionary War began, the total money supply in the United States stood at only $12 million. In June of the same year, the Continental Congress started printing "paper" and said it was "money". By the end of that first year, Congress had printed $6 million in "paper money" called "Continentals". In total, $425 million was issued in just five years that expanded the money supply more than 3,500%. Plus the States printed their own currency, bringing inflation in America to over 5,000%!

To America's credit, it was the only country to recover from such an inflationary hardship without bloodshed. Will our current country "fathers" measure up to the original Founding Fathers? Will YOU hold them to the same standard? Will the United States come back from this precipice? We so pray!

As Ron Paul stated on December 13th when he introduced the, Free Competition in Currency Act, H.R. 4683, that would protect the Liberty Dollar and competing currencies, Paul said, "Investors around the world are shunning the dollar, and millions of Americans see their salaries, saving accounts, and pensions eroded away by rising inflation. We stand at the precipice of an unprecedented monetary collapse, and as a result many people have begun to look for alternates to the [US] dollar."

A precipice indeed. I have mentioned this "precipice" many times in my presentations. It would appear that those darn "bellybuttons" at the Federal Reserve have no idea what they are flirting with. Of course, they need only read "Fiat Inflation in France" by Andrew Dickson White to learn what hell their money can create.

For more info on "Inflation through History" please click HERE.

NEW exciting way to support Ron Paul and save money too. with your own Ron Paul Card! Joby Weeks, RCO for Denver, has created the RON PAUL REWARD CARD.
Joby asks, "If you could save between $80-$150 a month at places you are already shopping, would you pay $20 a month, knowing that a portion of that money goes to finance Ron Paul Revolution campaign efforts?" Joby says that when you become a Ron Paul Rewards card member you can save up to 50% off at over 175,000 stores around the country plus you can earn money as a single tier affiliate program.

Please check it out at HERE and see if it is right for you. Initial cost is $49.00 for the card and the first month, then $19.95 per month, so you would want to use this card enough to cover your monthly service fee.

How to order the 2008 Liberty Dollar? Since the FBI Raid on November 14, it would seem everything is conspiring to make it as difficult as possible for the Liberty Dollar. Certainly the government, their handmaiden banking institutions, and now PayPal are making orders more difficult. So I am happy the resolve of Liberty Dollar supporters and the staunch RCOs have refused to let the Liberty Dollar die. Remember the harder it is to protect your money, the more you need real money like the Liberty Dollar! THANK YOU for your support and your orders!

As mentioned, the new one ounce $20 Silver Liberty with MSRP and PVBC is available at silver spot plus $5. But with prices changing daily, if not hourly, we simply ask you to send in your order based on the spot price on our web site: https://www.LibertyDollar.org plus shipping of $6 Up to 12 items, $1 each additional item. If the silver price has moved outside of range by the time we receive your order and we cannot fill your order, we will return your money. If the silver price is a bit less, we will keep the difference as a donation.

Orders for the 2008 Liberty Dollar, with the custom Tenth Anniversary hallmark, are available by check or money order made out to BERNARD. We have the new $20 Liberty in stock and orders are usually filled within three weeks AFTER we receive your order. Please send all orders to: Liberty Dollar. 225 N. Stockwell Road. Evansville. IN. 47715. Please note the office is understaffed, and your call may not be returned. If you have a question, an email would be best, please. For more information on ordering the 2008 Liberty Dollars Click HERE!

During these difficult times, you may get better/faster service from a RCO. Please contact any RCO regardless of where you live. Now, RCOs are not regionally bound. If you wish to open your own RCO, please email me with RCO in the subject field.

PayPal freezes Liberty Dollar account
Unbeknown to us, PayPal does not allow its system to be used for currency exchanges. So when we attached PayPal to our shopping cart, they froze our account and informed us that they would not refund the money for 180 days! After careful negotiations PayPal was willing to refund all your money on unfilled orders. I just spoke with PayPal again and it now seems that all the problems have been resolved and you should have your money in the next couple of days. Actual time of funds transfer vary as ACH transfers vary from bank to bank. So if you placed an order on our shopping cart using PayPal, please check your account, as you should receive your money by Friday. If not, please send an email to: Order@LibertyDollar.org. Then we would hope you would order directly with the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville via check or money order.

WOW!! You should have been at the Liberty Forum! Of course Ron Paul was there for a Keynote address on Sunday and it was a rousing time. I was supposed to give the Keynote address on Friday but at the last minute was replaced by Cap't Roughseas, a Revolutionary War officer who appeared at the request of the Founding Fathers. It was a HOOT! Just watch one of these videos. Get involved. Plan to come next year!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKIrm8Whmak
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...301237747138
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...72&hl=en
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/200...-fiat-money/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WB3ey2RUco

PLEASE NOTE: We are just too busying dealing with all the legal issues and added demands, so no more Liberty Dollars will be accepted for hallmarking. Many thanks to all the associates and RCOs who took advantage of the unique offer and got their Libertys hallmarked. This offer is now discontinued.

NEW COLLECTOR SPECIAL: As you may recall, we issued a two ounce $20 Silver Liberty Piedfort as a numismatic item shortly before the Liberty Dollar Moved Up to the $20 Base. I am pleased to announce that a special two ounce $50 Piedfort will be issued shortly. This special Limited Numbered Edition will feature the $50 design in Proof condition with a serial number. This LNE is limited to only 1000 Piedforts and only before the Liberty Dollar Moves Up to the $50 base. Initial price is only $50 but that is sure to change as the market advances. Limit five per order, please.

The $20 Arrest Dollar for $30 is SOLD OUT. We have a few left for $40 each. After they are gone it will be much more. The $10 Arrest Dollar is still $20 and the $5 Arrest Dollar is still only $15. But not for long.

My Lawsuit against the US Mint and DOJ was dismissed without prejudice and can be re-filed at any time. This was the best course of action given the criminal investigation.

Remember you can become a Liberty Associate for FREE by signing up for the Wrongful Seizure Lawsuit. Just click HERE to sign up.

To say that 2007 was a hell of a year is an understatement! Record sales, lawsuit against the US Mint, the FBI Raid and all the banking problems made Liberty Dollar a hot news item with many many articles and thousands of Americans discovering the truth about money and how to protect their purchasing power while returning America to its original founding ideals. Liberty Dollar was also voted one of the Top Ten Stories in 2007 by Coin World.

2008 promises to be another "great" year. Will I be arrested? Most likely. But as federal grand juries often take a year or more, we certainly have time and intent to provide as many Liberty Dollars as possible. We have a country to save and greatly appreciate your support, orders and donations. we can't do it without you!

As Cap't Roughseas mentioned in his presentation at the Liberty Forum, while money is the common denominator to restrain the government within the US Constitution. it is not the key. YOUR action is the key. Desire without action is folly.

That's all the news. Thanks again for your orders, donations and support!

For more information on ordering the 2008 Liberty Dollars Click HERE!

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect/Editor

FYI: The Treasure Hunter's Take:
Last night at 11:15, my wife and I were walking the dog through a park about two miles from home and I spotted a late-night treasure seeker sweeping his metal detector in one of the playgrounds.

I veered towards him and engaged him in conversation regarding his midnight craft. I inquired as to whether he had found anything special? To which he enthusiastically replied, "Yes!"

He emptied his pocket, and amongst a pile of quarters, dimes and nickels was a large metal object with the unmistakable obverse image of our own Liberty Lady. With that one glance, I told him that it was a 2007 Copper Liberty, and one I was sure I had handed out as change at my shop.

Somewhere out there is a little kid who lost a Copper Liberty, and a grown man who is very pleased with his newfound treasure.

The Liberty Dollar is my treasure, and that is a true story.

Matthew Pitagora RCO
www.libertydollarofsanjose.org
408.223.6688
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If you are interested in the Liberty Dollar issues, please consider signing up to receive e-mails from the main page at http://libertydollar.org/ I don't think I'll keep updating this thread unless something particularly important regarding the legal issues comes out, as the reports I am receiving are largely requests to buy stuff, and my intention is to inform and not advertise.

Regards,
~neuron
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 Posted 01/17/2008  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GFR3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its like the old saying goes "Don't steal...the government hates competition". Its sad times when a man isn't even allowd to own a little round disk made of metal without fear of imprisionment. Its an even sadder day it is all down in the Land of the Free...

Fight on Bernard, I'm with you until the end
-Gary
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Well........ years ago a friend game me a 1 ounce .999 pure silver coin. It had "Joe Camel" on it and it was a special thing to those who smoke Camel ciggerettes in a mail order thing. It came with "papers" etc. etc.
So....any private mint can produce "silver rounds" and we all call them a "silver dollar". They can make Commerative stuff..... my dad has a Franklin Mint product from 30 years ago. Nice cherry wood case. It has ALL 50 STATES IN 1 oz. .999 Silver.......very nice.........but worth NOTHING more than the going price of silver right ? You can always barter with silver if someone is willing......but it's not and never will be allowed to be "currency" I understand. He has a 1 oz. .999 pure silver Presidential dollar set that ends with Nixon......again only worth what silver is worth. Those say "one silver dollar" on them........but they are "not" a currency dollar. It wasn't printed by the govt. and not recognized by any institution that deals in money and I think most people are fine with that
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Hmmm, they seem to be worth a little bit on ebay.

Wish I had a roll of those copper Ron Paul dollars to sell.
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All,

If you would like to see the search warrant executed at NORFED, go here: http://wikileaks.cx/leak/liberty-do...-warrant.pdf

its about 35 pages and is a heck of a read. It basically lays out the foundation of how this is one huge multilevel marketing ploy.

Bryan
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Wow,

after three pages of blessings and advertisements for the Liberty Dollar, I would have thought there would be some response to "the other side of the story"....

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The Federal Reserve is just a huge Ponzi scheme itself, so...

A warrant is just that, a warrant. Even though I really do not have a horse in this race, I will reserve the right to make a judgment after the trial.

But if it is true, I would not really be all too surprised.
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About time this "fake" currency is gone.
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Wow...just got through reading the warrant. Without getting into the legality of the LD, that's a heck of a scheme. First you jump on the fiat currency bandwagon, & then issue your own "currency" that is supposedly based on precious metal. In reality the "currency" you issue is only partially backed by the underlying precious metal, with a built in profit margin.

I know that this was only a warrant, & none of this has been proved in a court of law. However, there's no disputing the fact that the ounce of silver in the original $10 LD was not worth $10, & that the profit margin was even bigger when they went to $20 face.
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hmmm...out of curiosity, what do you consider to be a "real" currency Jeremy?


Bryanb1, you're right to say that this whole Liberty Dollar fiasco is nothing more than marketing and advertising--by both sides. Norfed has to know, in their heart or hearts, that, barring anything short of revolution/major depression, the Liberty Dollar (or one like it) will not be commonly accepted as cash anytime in the coming decades. I believe it has more to do with "spreading the message" and "making people aware" (not unlike Dr. Paul's Presidential run I might add...) than actually going mainstream, so to speak. I also believe the FEDs merely wanted to remind us whos in charge, and that stepping out of line is a crime worthy of prison.

I enjoy the Liberty Dollar for many reasons though mainly because their cause has merit--if two people agree on a trade why can't they trade?

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I find it funny that they present an image of a current dollar coin to implicate that the Liberty Dollar is creating a likeness of a USD, when the LD was around for many years before these coins.

I guess I thought we were living in a free market where competition is encouraged to regulate volatility, but I guess I was wrong. In practice our market is quasi-free at best.

As long as the LD medallions are presented as private voluntary barter currency they shouldn't be a problem. The two parties in the transaction can either accept the face value or barter upon an alternative value (e.g., $18 or $19 instead of $20). Although now that silver is over $19 per ounce ($19.68 according to Kitco as I write this), I doubt much bartering would happen.

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As a coin collector

I have some samples of the various denominations of the liberty dollars

but I also have samples of the Hutt River Provence
and the Empire of Atlantium coins and banknotes.

All of these currencies are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

I think may be a scam but it may be the intention of those involved with it to just "make gain" I think collectors no matter what they collect may also be called fan of the collection- Remember fan is short for fanatic! and as such we end up spending much of our money to complete our collections.

There are many monetary "systems". in the world some have value and some don't Try to spend Hutt or Atlantium coins anywhere out of their juristictions! It just won't happen

There has been talk on National radio about the Amero and you can also find interesting discussions on the net about this series..

Reality is Like everything else we collect it is only worth the value you put on it.

If you have any gold or Silver Liberty dollars you don't want I be happy to take them off your hands.

On the other hand I am one of the few people in the USA that is happy to accept payment in Australian Coinage and currency.

To each his own!

The Liberty dollar discussion needs to be more directed to collecting and the value of the coins or this thread will have to be moved to the general discussion area.

Please don't misunderstand me - as I said I have some of them in my collection but I am not going to be caught in the whirlwind of the revival style to run out and change my currency, but each of you has the right and free agency to make that decision for yourself.

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