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Who is this grape we speak of?

I was actually going to take a bunch of pictures and send it to Cameron for his advice.
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The 7070 is a nice set, and they leave out all the expensive early coins so it is actually a very doable set in VF for the average collector with some coins in higher grade, WITH the exception of the Classic head large cent. That is the money coin of the set. If you are lucky $300 might get you a nice VG. A nice VF is going to cost you $1000. An XF would be more than double that. I don't think there is any other coin in the 7070 that comes close to that. I don't think any other coin (except the draped bust cent) in the set can't be had in XF without breaching that $300 limit.
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I don't think any other coin (except the draped bust cent) in the set can't be had in XF without breaching that $300 limit.


Draped Bust Half Dime, Heraldic Eagle: $4,000+ (XF).
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I did the 7070 set a decade or more ago. Lots of fun. Especially the GOLD page. Like others have said, classic head large cent, then the two Seated dollars are the stoppers. After I completed the book, I started the registry version of the 7070. My desired minimum grade was MS-63. Haven't finished it yet. Here is mine (currently 41):

https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/119576/
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Here is mine (currently 41)


Amazing set! Even by my stringent standards!


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I was actually going to take a bunch of pictures and send it to Cameron for his advice.


Go ahead, you know I'm sitting around otherwise.
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Here is mine (currently 41)


Wow!
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Haven't finished it yet. Here is mine (currently 41):
Outstanding!
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All,

Thanks for the advice (some great, some not so great). I'm going to start the 7070 in 2021. I have requested all the PGCS coins I had but I never added to the registry to be added and hopefully this weekend will take pictures of all the missing ones. I have also created an excel spreadsheet listing the missing ones. I may pick up my first coin next and I found a lot of the low cost ones locally. So I should be able to fill the modern ones quickly.

As soon as I get my first coin I'll start a new thread. I told my wife my goal is to be in the top 100, which may or not may be feasible, but you never know.
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I don't quite understand the high prices of Classic Head Large Cent.
Millions of these coin were minted back in the day. Are they mostly lost to history compared to Draped Bust and Matron/Coronet Head Cents, and are therefore expensive? Or is there relatively more demand for Classic Head Large Cents?


@NumisEd: The problem with the Classic Head Large Cents is not how many were minted but how few were minted in high grade (and how few of those survive today). Due to issues surrounding the War of 1812, the U.S. was unable to obtain the high quality planchets from Britain that they previously used and had to settle for lesser quality planchets. Most of those ended up corroding pretty badly and as a result it's very difficult to find examples in good condition today.
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I'm far from a copper expert, but I seem to recall reading that PCGS and NGC have a lot of issues with the color on many of these, hence their higher prices? This could be the case even with raw coins, as collectors try to avoid buying "problem" coins. If someone that's a member of EAC can read the above comment, they should be able to provide a more accurate answer to your question.

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My collecting "Pride & Joy" is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/ty...edset/213996
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@winesteven,

If you want to sell your rejects, please let us know
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Interesting Barryg. I did not know that.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
http://goccf.com/t/303507
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Thanks for the advice (some great, some not so great). I'm going to start the 7070 in 2021.
Excellent!


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As soon as I get my first coin I'll start a new thread. I told my wife my goal is to be in the top 100, which may or not may be feasible, but you never know.
Good luck!
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I found the following information at https://www.NGCcoin.com/coin-explor...814-pscid-14:


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Production of the new design began in 1808, with just over one million pieces struck. A cent shortage developed the following year, however, when the Mint ran out of planchets. Official records state that 222,867 cents were made in 1809, but research has uncovered that nearly 50,000 cents minted in June of 1809 may have been struck with leftover 1808 dies. Production returned to normal in 1810; in fact, that year's output of 1,458,500 was the highpoint for the series. But a roller-coaster ride began in 1811 when mintage fell to 218,025, the series' low point, rising sharply in 1812, then dropping again appreciably in 1813. After a final low-mintage year in 1814, the abbreviated series came to an end.

Short of planchets again in 1815, the Mint made no cents with that date—the only year missing from U.S. cent coinage from 1793 to the present. In 1816, when production resumed, the cent bore Robert Scot's new and undistinguished "Matron Head" design.

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Classic Head cents are relatively scarce in every collectible grade, but exceptionally so in mint condition. This is partly due to the unusual softness of the inferior quality planchets received from the British firm of Boulton and Watt, but also due to supply and demand: the large number of collectors pursuing the early coppers has always limited the number of choice pieces available for sale. Unfortunately, there have been no hoards discovered of any consequence. The numismatic fraternity is limited to the small number of high-grade specimens that very infrequently return to the fold from one of their own.
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