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Valued Member
United States
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SA4H, if those marks are only obvious under 10x as you mentioned, I'd say you scored. I'd bet any attempt to exchange wouldn't achieve better results.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: To me, this quality control scenario between the mint and the TPGs is worse than the customer service issues surrounding the 2011 A25 set. Agreed, I generally havent had problems with milk spots but I guess it shouldnt be a surprise with the other issues the mint messed up at least a batch of planchets. They seem to either do real well or real bad with that. I agree too if somethings only visible under 10x theres no need to worry about it
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Valued Member
United States
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Actually, I think the milk spots are related to PCGS plastic reacting differently to ASEs. Milk: it's not just for Canadian wildlife anymore.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Everything I've read about milk spots always says theyre a result from an improper washing or drying, I dunno if anyone else has ever seen things that say otherwise but if they have Id love to read it. If it was from the slab I would assume we would see a lot more of it across different series. I'm sure it happens but they seem to be mostly an ASE problem at least from what I've seen
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've had and still have MANY hundreds of ASE's and the ONLY ones that have developed milk spots are the ones that are in slabs.....and regarding the PCGS/milk spot thing...I have sent back approximately 10 NGC RP/PF 70's for replacement over the last couple of years. I don't submit ASE's to PCGS but I will buy their 70's if priced right. Risk/reward is just not there for me to submit. I go with the planchet wash/slab reaction theory...I think that is why the Mint could give a hoot about the spots. They don't sell the coins predicated on how they will sit in slabs. That part is up to the TPG's to figure out and they obviously haven't succeeded.
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Bedrock of the Community
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The thing that gets me about it is that pcgs ngc use the same slabs for all coins, but it seems like the ASEs are responsible for a large percentage of this problem. If the mint used the same chemicals or process for all of them why does this series seem to be a victim more than others even more than the silver commems (which in my experiences searching for them dont seem to get hit by it very often).
It appears to be a perfect storm with us being caught in the middle. The mint doesn't care because they hold up pretty well on their own and the tpgs arent going to redo their slabs over 1 problem series. I wonder if theres a certain way of storing the slabs that makes this more likely with this series as well. I know people are generally more confident with slabs and dont take the same precautions with storage as they do their raw coins
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Maybe because the Commem's are not .999 bullion. Might be a different wash with them....no clue
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United States
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Excellent point. Makes it a real challenge to decide between buying raw or 69s.
If you can depend on the quality of grading and reporting, at least the purchase of 70s could be determined with some success, leaving future value open to speculation.
Edited by Clint 09/06/2012 1:38 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Fox good point, has to have something to do with that. I wonder if its just the silver ASE or if the others have the same problem
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Even if the commems have the same wash, they might not spot as much because of the alloy, 90% Ag, 10% Cu. All dollars, halves, quarters, and dimes are the same 90% stuff. The only other .999 things that come to mind are the ATB pucks and the 9/11 commem medals.
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Valued Member
United States
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My grandfather just got his results back from PCGS... 10 sets sent in, all 20 coins FS. of the 20 coins Reverse Proof: NINE 69's & ONE 68!! Proof: THREE 70's & SEVEN 69's!! Unreal man... What a joke the SF mint is, they should be ashamed and I just canceled my last four sets (2 & 2 for Sept & Oct). I will NEVER be buying from the US Mint Again! They can kiss my rump till their lips bleed     Erik
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Valued Member
United States
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And the irony is how different the results might have been, if the same 10 sets were sent in by a vendor in a bulk submission.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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To the new poster who expects perfection get a grip. If every coin produced received a grade of 70 they would be as common as the bullion issues. One coin out of 20 less than 69 and you call the mint a joke? Can you tell the difference from a 69 coin to a 70?
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Valued Member
United States
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I would like to note that I have been a member of PCGS for a couple years now and have submitted over 100 coins (Morgans, Gold, Modern) and I have never been disappointed. Of course I have gotten a coin back that I wish would have graded higher, but in the end, I have no sour feelings towards PCGS. They are just doing their job in my opinion. The Q&C issues with the SF mint in this case, now that is a SERIOUS PROBLEM IMO. I remember reading that they had all this new technology and that they had taken away flaws from human hands and they replaced them with flawless machines. That there would be no more errors and just perfect coins getting struck there... HOGWASH, I call BS and that is my final word with that. Good luck to everyone with these sets, as I surely hope your experience would be much better than mine.
Erik
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United States
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Quote: To the new poster who expects perfection get a grip. If every coin produced received a grade of 70 they would be as common as the bullion issues. One coin out of 20 less than 69 and you call the mint a joke? Can you tell the difference from a 69 coin to a 70? lol at you... seriously, your funny... like a clown  Erik
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