Fake £1

Re the £1s, previous page. That is a remarkably lifelike pathways imprint, looks less squarely pitted than the real thing or is that a lighting illusion? Wonder if that die was ordered from China.

I'm woefuly ignorant but aren't the reeding and motto both added by stamping the coin into a respective collar, in one case during upsetting and in the other, when the face dies are applied? It looks like your semicircular mark is a defect on the reeding collar, the apex seems to recur in the same position between reeds. Had a look but can't find it on either of my 'bitty' types.

Since I had the sole major die clash on the Forth obverse, plus only one of your Egyptian reverses shares the die clash there, my 'bitty edge' ones are likely to have been made later. So I wonder if the 'bitty' pathways are an reworked version of your 'tidy' pathways?

If one compares the 'bitty' pathways with a bona fide coin, the sum of the two distances between each end intersection and the facing end intersection (across the dot) is in the order of 1mm shorter on the 'bitty' pathways. But I would want to hold a 'bitty' next to a 'tidy' version to look for a real match.

My 1st Scottish lion fake















The edge inscription gives it away, there are even some areas where the metal is missing from a bad cast.
I also found my 1st welsh leek coin, need to take some pics of that 1.

All good RED.

I'm wondering what is the earliest appearance date we can ascribe to any of the 'new' Bridges series features such as the ridges inside the Arch, and the 'new' pathways imprints?

As regards SHIELD8, that has multiple errors, is it necessarily a different die rather than a centring error?

PS. Never noticed before that SHIELD 6,8 have finer weave on the reverse device than 2,5,7, although 6,8 seem to use the same pool of irregular master edge engravings as 2,5,7 and many other re-engraved dies £1. For other readers, we're referring to the image names at: http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/SHIELD.HTML with close up images now appearing at https://www.flickr.com/photos/fakeq...50750305415/ .

Re the undated coin. Wonder if that could be down to a mass of bubbles, 2 of which have burst on the portrait, causing an irregularly shaped part of the metal to keep bulging out after working and so disproportionately absorb the die shock?

This is a swizz, it's real! Or if it's not, please can you explain why.

It's just the features all look good, and if it were a paint job I would expect that to wear off the raised parts first, e.g. as https://www.flickr.com/photos/fakeq...50732031722/ . Fake Leeks are quite rare these days.

Tenbob... I KNEW I'd seen that funny S before...
Seen in the new THISTLE7 (Also seen in FLAX5, ARMS55, CROSS64, LIONS11, LIONS46 & LIONS52)

Well I've finally done the all important website updates...

Some new coins of note are:

A 1992 Arms (Unique among my finds) - ARMS18.2
Another 'rare' elongated S in decus (as in CROSS33 & OAK7) - ARMS16
A couple of near perfect 03 Arms - ARMS19 & ARMS19.2
A pair of resculpted Cross design (using the obv from LIONS4/9) - CROSS6 & CROSS6.2
A crossover between LIONS4/4.2 & LIONS9/9.2 (I suspect it's an in between of the fresh dies of 9/9.2 & the worn dies of 4/4.2) - LIONS1.2
A new Menai pairing using an 08 obv similar to FORTH6/6.2 SHIELD2/5/7 - MENAI8.2
A new Millennium pairing using the same obv as FORTH6/6.2 SHIELD2/5/7 - MILLENNIUM5.2
New "rare" Flax, Thistle & Rampant
5 New Possibles - POSSAY,AZ,BA,BB & BC
Added the new DISC2, the Magna Carta and HMS Belfast £2 have been added too.

and the pierce de resistance.... I've finally sorted and uploaded the hoard pics !! http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/HOARD.HTML


Including the possibles there's now 622 coins on my site !!

1) I was all ready to send an email off to the mint asking what they accept as Weight Tolerance with regards their £1,
when I decided to check the mottos against my real 03's. Both 19 & 19.2 had very basic crosses in comparison to the real one,
even though the text was near enough identical.
I've since taken this photo (Not brilliant I admit) but it compares 3 'real' holdbacks and 2 'real' errors to Arms19 & 19.2.
Now I'm not sure what to make of most of them now !


2) My take on these was that 9 & 9.2 were fresh dies and 4 & 4.2 were worn. Which is why I slapped 1.2 in the middle.
I hadn't actually bothered properly comparing the Cross versions.
I'll try & find some time and scan them all in tomorrow and do some overlays (My images don't work as they're at slightly different angles and different sizes etc)
as I found those really helpful in comparing the shield dies, even if you and Pete don't agree with me :-p

3) My old lady found that one, and although I did highly suspect it was a good fake, nothing matched with what I have in my collection.

I suppose I should clean-up the possibles as there's a few on the pages of this thread you have confirmed, mainly being Onels I believe lol


Oh and while I'm here... I received my second (and final) ebay-bought Magna Carta fake today. Identical to the other one as you'd pretty much expect, except this one weighs in at 13.15g whereas the first was 12.5g.