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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Excuse my ignorance but..... There are Specimen coins and there are Proof coins. There is no such thing as a Specimen Proof coin. They exist only in your imagination. SP designation by TPGs indicates specimen not specimen proof as those who cannot bother to read definitions infer. For Canadian coins PL is not a "look", it is a type of coin struck specifically for collectors beginning in 1949, thus it is impossible for any of your 1948 to be PL. No Canadian proof coins of any kind were struck until 1973 as the mint did not have the equipment or technology until then.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
Edited by DBM 08/09/2018 01:13 am
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Forum Dad
 United States
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Quote: I obviously can't take great pictures when I have to crop the images off a smart phone. I just pulled this nickel out of my pocket .. imaged, edited, and uploaded with my smart phone in about 60 seconds. 
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Canada
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I believe this to be a 1964 1 cent specimen strike, pay particular attention to the rims. 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
955 Posts |
Pauliswilling , I feel your pain ( sort of ). After 25 years I still haven't nailed the terminology from our friends at the RCM . The newer stuff yes , older no ( simply because I can't afford most of it) so I haven't bothered . Besides any of the forum members that have answered to this thread can answer pretty much anything I can throw at em. Personally I think ( and others ) your not quite getting the "terminology" Not the answering terminology or yours , "The terminology " And I also have found mistakes in Charltons.
Edited by Canacoins 08/10/2018 11:23 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
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Don, that looks like a well-struck PL to me.
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Valued Member
Canada
291 Posts |
Early strikes are hard to tell apart and the quality of the issues were inconsistent.
I once bought a 1952 set, in cardboard, sealed. I thought most looked PL, but only the Dollar came back from ICCS ad PL (66 though, which was a nice bonus). The rest were MS (but superior strikes).
Edited by KHatt 08/11/2018 7:38 pm
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Canada
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Pauliswilling here is some more information. hope this helps by the way welcome to the canadian forum. hope you can get some better shots of those coins. I would really like to see them coins. from what I could see in your photos. those are very nice looking coins. 
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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What throws a wrench in all this was the idiotic designation of proof-like (PL) by the mint that were, essentially, just UNC coins for collectors. The coins weren't and never were actually "proof-like"
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Canada
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I have always wondered if this was the dealers in the 1950's trying to protect their ability to sell new coins for a premium, by creating a sub-class of coins (Proof Like). I realize their are some differences, but does sometimes MS coins on fresh dies can be just as good, if not better than Proof Like coins.
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purelywasted: Read any of the older Charltons, where NCLT was included with regular circulating coinage. Go to the section in the back about "collector coins" and read the sections on "proof-like sets" and "proof-like singles" for both 1950-1953 and 1954-1967. It's VERY interesting reading .. and points to dealers inventing the term.
"early singles prior to 1953 exist, but not in sufficient quantities to merit listing. The sets were surprise packages because there was no condition consistency in their contents. More often than not, the six coins was mixed from brilliant uncirculated to specimen."
(for 54-67) As in the previous listing, all single "proof-like" coins are from sets. However, beginning in 1954, the sets were sold to the public, and the quality became consistent throughout the set, meaning that the coins were actually "proof-like" in appearance. The Mint never recognized this term, selling the coins as brilliant uncirculated "business strikes". In order to avoid complaints about quality, the premium over face value was minimal (59 cents), leaving no room to engage in discussion about quality."
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Nice to see Rocky knows what he's talking about and if you all read what he posted it shows you all are not correct on specimen Canadian Coins. I will show you them when I get them back GRADED from NGC Rocky and thank you.
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So maybe I was incorrect on my terminology.I collect both US and Canadian Coins. So I meant to say specimen coins. I think most of you know what I meant. Glad you all turned this into a Senfeild episode because I said specimen proof instead of specimen. I would have thought most of you knew what I meant. Had any of you looked at my photos you would have seen I already had a 1937(Which you all swear weren't specimens that year yet) GRADED specimen 62
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And just so you all know I'm a 100 percent service connected disabled veteran from the first gulf war. The VA did hip surgery on me and did malpractice. Left me walking on a hip that's needed replacement for over 10 year's now and fluid around lungs. Other hip worn out on top of it. So.. I put all of my income into Coins to pass on to my son. The VA won't fix me in fact I blew the whistle on how they were taking care of American Veterans who don't live near Va's and they will barely send my meds (10 narcotics daily) on Time Late by over 5 days at times. So I can barely leave my house. Anyway.. I do this so my son has a decent future because I don't. I have zero quality of life except for the Coins I collect.
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Forgot to add..If I see my 55th birthday the way they left me I'll consider myself lucky. Just so you know many Coins you own are generally undergraded. Did any of you notice when you submit your coins you always get the Grade before the Big jump up on the grade sheet?( That is unless you are John Feiginbaum ( Owns David Lawrence Coins AND decides what Coins are worth on the grey sheet) OR if you are Heritage Coins or some other big dealer.By the way Heritage has something to do with the grey sheets also ( No conflict of interest there) Just like David Hall Who owns PCGS and also David Hall's Rare Coins ( no conflict of interest there either).
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That also should say grey sheet. Autocorrect.
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