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1820 Capped Bust Half Dollar. Grade It, And Help With Overton Variety.

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 Posted 07/18/2016  5:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add syeb to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

I have this 1820 in my collection and am trying to attribute the variety. There aren't many to choose from. Only 104 and 105 have square 2's with the knob, but this doesn't seem to match the 105. The 105 is supposed to have a very visibly crooked "5" in "50 C." and this one does not. The "0" and "C" look to far apart as well.

I highly doubt it is a 104 based on what I paid although it does seem to match.

And you can guess the grade as well while we're at it. It's in a straight NGC holder.

Thanks.

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1820-Capped-Bust-Half-Dollar.-Grade-It,-And-Help-With-Overton-Variety.

I worked a bit with the pic to highlight the area in question:

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the pics look overexposed and therefore give the coin the appearance of being cleaned.if it is in fact a good representation then VF details
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Those were NGC's pics. I took these which are a bit better and the best I can do with my phone.

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 Posted 07/18/2016  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks freshly dipped. I would say VF details, cleaned.

But since it straight-graded, VF-30.
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Looks like an O-104 to me, the T/I alignment and die crack through 50 C. and the arrow tips give it away.
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VF-30.
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Aces, I completely missed rule # 1 - look at the T-I. So it looks like I may have gotten lucky with an R4 vs. R1. I wonder if it's worth sending it in for an attribution.
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I wouldn't send it in. Consider yourself lucky it wasn't "detailed" from cleaning if the pics are at all a close representation of the way the coin actually looks.
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I would not worry about it being detailed or otherwise downgraded if I send it to NGC in the slab. If that happens it would be covered by their guarantee and I would be made whole. I asked this exact question to NGC and received the answer from them. There is never a grading risk when sending to NGC in an NGC slab for a resubmission or reholder.

Under 10X the coin does not show any telltale signs of anything remotely resemblng a harsh cleaning although it most probably was dipped at one point.
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Correct, no risk by re-submitting. I'll say VF25, possibly VF-30.
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new pics are much better. I see this in the VF30 details range due to a dip in the pool however slight it was.
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FYI - about the NGC guarantee and a resubmission:

https://goccf.com/t/261191#2205300
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To close out the thread - Final answer: It's a VF-25.
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Looks cleaned, should have been a details grade.
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Yes probably cleaned in some way, certainly dipped. But without the telltale hairlines and/or obvious scratches, it seems the TPGs consistently give Bust halves a pass as market acceptable.
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