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Found at the Philadelphia Mint and shown here is the master hub for creating dies for 1964 Morgan dollars — one of the most important discoveries in decades.

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Researchers at Philadelphia Mint uncover dies and hubs for 1964 Morgan dollar
Article by Paul Gilkes for Coin World

The numismatic world was rocked in 2016 with the bombshell announcement by Whitman Publishing that researchers had uncovered the existence of hubs, master dies and other tooling at the Philadelphia Mint for the production of 1964 Morgan dollars.

The researchers' sleuthing, however, did not yield proof that 1964 Morgan dollars were struck.

The researchers also found hubs and master dies for the 1964 Peace dollar, trial strikes of which were produced at the Denver Mint in 1965.

The discoveries were actually made in July 2015 at the Philadelphia Mint during research conducted for the fifth edition of A Guide Book of Morgan silver dollars, but not revealed until 2016 with promotion of the new edition.

In July 2015, four prominent numismatists visited the Philadelphia Mint: Dennis Tucker, publisher for Whitman Publishing LLC; prolific numismatic author Q. David Bowers, chairman emeritus of Stack's Bowers Galleries and numismatic director at Whitman; John Dannreuther, numismatic researcher, co-founder of Professional Coin Grading Service and owner of John Dannreuther Rare Coins in Tennessee; and David Sundman, president of Littleton Coin Company in New Hampshire.

Dannreuther and Sundman are also Whitman authors.

No trial strikes of either a 1964 Morgan dollar or a 1964 Peace dollar were discovered, though, and it remains uncertain whether any trial strikes were made of the 1964 Morgan dollar.

Any such theoretical production of a Morgan dollar would have coincided with the Mint's consideration of what designs to use for the silver dollar, after Congress authorized resumption of silver dollar production for the first time since Peace dollars were last struck in 1935.

Known experimentation included production of an estimated 322,394 1964-D Peace dollars at the Denver Mint between May 13 and May 24, 1965, according to author Roger W. Burdette in A Guide Book of Peace dollars.

All of the Peace dollar trial strikes were reportedly melted, with none officially released into circulation. No examples are officially known extant.

During the July 2015 Philadelphia Mint visit, Tucker was photographing galvanos and plaster models of Philippine coins struck under U.S. sovereignty in the 1900s. For the then-in-progress A Guide Book of Morgan silver dollars, Bowers and Sundman were jointly examining materials related to Eisenhower and Anthony dollars, and Dannreuther was randomly combing through a cabinet of trays.

when Dannreuther alerted the others that he had come across obverse and reverse galvanos for Morgan dollars, he did not immediately note their date. Tucker interrupted his photography to see what Dannreuther had found.

Almost simultaneously, the two men's eyes focused on the date — 1964.

"Our excitement grew as all doubt was dispelled — these clearly were models for a 1964-dated Morgan dollar, ..." according to Tucker. "Conventional numismatic wisdom held that in 1910 the Mint destroyed its dies, hubs, and other working materials relating to the Morgan dollar, since there was no expectation the coin would ever be minted again.

"When it was brought back, for one final round of coinage in 1921, the dies used were from shallow, low-relief hubs recreated from an 1878 coin. A generation later, when Congress decided to issue a silver dollar again in 1964, the design the Mint used was that of the 1921 to 1935 Peace dollar, rather than the Morgan."

Another researcher, Roger Burdette, had reported in his Whitman book on Peace dollars that Mint officials in the mid-1960s had debated whether to use the Morgan designs or Peace designs for the new silver dollars that Congress had ordered struck. However, Burdette's research had not uncovered evidence that the Mint got as far as creating galvanos, dies and hubs for 1964 Morgan dollars.

Dannreuther said the 1964 Morgan dollar galvano he discovered — a large metal model once used in the created of a master hub — was unlike any other galvano he has even seen, being smaller than any galvano he has seen before. Circular lines at the center on Liberty's face indicate it was probably used on the Janvier reduction lathe, he said, which routinely left such marks as the hubs were being created.

Tucker said the 1964 Morgan dollar tooling examined is more in line with the 1878 to 1904 Morgan dollar dies than with the shallower relief 1921 dies — "an interesting anomaly given that the original older materials were ordered destroyed by Mint Director Andrew in 1910."
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Of course. It is a worthy thread to follow. Good stuff in here.


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Case in point.

Excellent read.
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Thanks for the 'dies manufactured' chart. I can use this info in my research.
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Glad that it is helpful to your research. Hopefully you will share your findings with us when you are done.
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Wouldn't it have been nice to have seen the excitement firsthand when those dies were found?

When Daniel Carr made fantasy 1964 overstrike Morgan soon after, I just had to have one.

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Nice Earle!

This is a Chinese coiunterfeit 1843 Seated dollar die

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A Lesson from History - Counterfeit Gold
By Kenneth M. Rutherford
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"It may be safely stated that the art, as pursued in the United States, is without parallel, and that without vaunt or hyperbole, we can 'beat the world' on this our national 'specialtie'- counterfeiting." (An anonymous writer in 1863).

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Gideon B. Smith patented a counterfeit gold coin detector in 1853, the first in a long line of fake detectors patented over the next 30 years. They were borne out of a need for a surer, more positive method of identifying fake gold coins. The methods that had been used since the early 15th century were no longer suited to the rapidly developing commerce and business of the 1850's.

The detection of fakes was a serious business as the buying power of even a minor coin was great. The businessman of the time depended on a variety of checks, plus personal observation, to determine if the offered coin was genuine. These checks included spitting on the coin, or scraping it and then rubbing it against the short hairs on his head to make the base metal in a counterfeit show through. The coin was also dropped on a hard surface-a counterfeit having a different 'ring' to a genuine coin. Considering these methods, it is not surprising that the fake detector soon became as common in business as the electric calculator is today. The Gold Prohibition Act of 1934 calling for the confiscation of all gold coins, except those considered 'rare', marked the disappearance of the fake coin detector.

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The money in everyday use changed from coins of intrinsic value such as gold, silver, and copper to paper, coins of the cheaper metals and plastic cards. The low buying power of everyday metal money eliminated the danger of counterfeiting and the lesson of history has been forgotten by many.

The metal money counterfeiter has not gone away and neither has his target changed: It is still the coins of high intrinsic value and buying power. These are the gold bullion coins owned by an estimated 5 million Americans. The risks to investors are great: He or she mostly knows little about gold coins (how often have you handled a gold coin?), and the quality of the fakes has improved tremendously. Counterfeiters, using modern technology, are able to produce fakes visually identical to genuine coins. Newspapers report of dealers, jewelers, and bankers all being fooled by good quality fakes.


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- Nally Gold Coin Scale - Stack's March 2009 Sale - $850

How can an investor guard against buying fakes? By doing what the merchants of 100 years ago did-checking the authenticity of every gold coin bought. How do you check a coin? By using the same method that Gideon B. Smith's detector employed-weighing and measuring the coin against the issuing mint's specifications. Modern counterfeiters may have mastered the appearance of their fakes but the principle of density-the ratio of mass to volume-has not changed. Gold has a greater density than the common metals such as lead, brass, copper, and steel. This means that it is impossible to make a common metal fake (the only kind ever found) that is identical to a genuine coin in both weight and size.

No honest dealer wants to sell you a fake. But he can make a mistake. Don't be part of someone else's mistake-check every coin you buy. After all, who can look after you better than yourself?

First published in "The Financial Security Digest", August/September 1983. P.O. Box 1928. Cocoa. FL 32922


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Very interesting. This battle has been going on for a long time.
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Souvenir So-Called Dollar distributed by the Treasury Department at the 1893 Columbian World Expo (37mm) HK-154

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Very nice!
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Adolph Weinman designed the Mercury dime and Walking Liberty half dollar. He was also an architectural sculptor. Here he is with a statue of Lincoln that he worked on.

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What a fantastic thread. I'm presently on page 3 and I'm hooked. It's like a good book. Thank you Numismatic Student!
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