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Counterfeit Detection: 1880-CC Morgan Dollar

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Can't hurt but won't help. China doesn't care. It's legal there. They sell them openly on the street.
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Yes. As long as its not modern dates circulated Yuan, anything goes in China.
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The alloy for the fake 1880-CC (copper, zinc, nickel, manganese, silver) would have significantly lower specific gravity than coin silver. For the weight to be so close to the correct value this piece would have to be extra thick. I would expect you could easily see the difference just by viewing it side-by-side with a genuine Morgan.
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I'm going to eventually turn them in to the secret service, although, selling them as raw copper has its appeal


With a huge amount of fakes out there, I am very sure the Secret Service is well aware of what's going on and, quite honestly probably couldn't care less. And since it is not illegal in the United States to own counterfeit coins and currency, there really is no reason to go to all that trouble just to get rid of these fake coins. Of course they would not even be a face value reimbursement to you.

If you want to make sure no one else gets taken by them, break them out of the slabs (just used a hammer to help that won't matter) and then in someway totally deface the coins.

Pounding them flat with a sledgehammer would work, cutting them in half with a bandsaw would work, etc. Or you could spend around 40 bucks and get a counter stamp made that says copy, stamp them, and use them for teaching others would fakes look like.

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The alloy for the fake 1880-CC (copper, zinc, nickel, manganese, silver) would have significantly lower specific gravity than coin silver. For the weight to be so close to the correct value this piece would have to be extra thick. I would expect you could easily see the difference just by viewing it side-by-side with a genuine Morgan.

The thickness used to be a dead giveaway on some of these. But I have 3 rolls of fake Morgan's with varying mint marks that were tested and found not to be silver, and yet their thickness and diameter is right on as well as the wight being within Weight Tolerances. They also have proper looking milled edge whereas the fakes from a few years ago had very straight ridges that did not taper at the ends like a real Morgan.

So some of the Chinese are doing their homework. When people post to forums what gives away the fakes they have, the makers of these have been learning to make changes to adapt. It's a vicious circle.

They do fail the magnetic slide test.
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So some of the Chinese are doing their homework. When people post to forums what gives away the fakes they have, the makers of these have been learning to make changes to adapt. It's a vicious circle.


We have them register themselves periodically. Whenever I see a new member post a counterfeit I check their IP. When you see they supplied US as a country, but they are in China or another "counterfeiting place" they get blocked from the forum.
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I also review the VAMs for reverse mm placement when researching counterfeits; there appears to be no VAM for 1880-CC with that mintmark placement.

Two of the bad CC's in bad PCGS slabs have a similar close placement of the mm's to the ribbon; the bad 1881-CC on the left, 1883-CC in the middle and this one on the right.

I have actually started a long string of reported bad PCGS slabs and coins on the CU Forum.


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