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paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 12/22/2023 02:42 am @Erafjel, thanks for the insight! Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7966 Posts	Posted 12/22/2023 07:16 am Looks like the 40s are winding down, so I'll plan to introduce the 30-39% slice tomorrow. I'll post the comprehensive updated list a little later. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7966 Posts	Posted 12/22/2023 9:19 pm I think this captures our progress from 69% down to 40% (let me now if I missed something). We are at 22 different compositions with posted coins (versus our target of at least 30)... Great work! I know this is not a typical type of data we keep on our coins, and lots of us are digging furiously to find it. I'm confident we'll hit our goal by New Year's Day at this rate! 69% Poland ¼ thaler 1657 KM#A94 (tdziemia) 68% France 20 francs 1930s KM#879 (erafjel, Hondo Boguss) 67% France 30 sols 1792 KM#606 (ironhorse) ........Germany / Prussia 1/3 thaler KM#303 (spence) 65% Costa Rica 25 centimos 1924 KM#168 (NumisRob) ........Portugal 50 escudos 1971 KM#601 (triggersmob) 64% Austria 5, 10 schillings KM#2882, 2889 (Hondo Boguss) ........Curacao ½ guilder 1941 KM#44 (Hondo Boguss) ........Curacao 1/10 guilder 1944 KM#43 (january1may) ........Netherlands 5 cents 1859 KM#91 (spence) ........Netherlands 25 cents KM#164 (triggersmob) 63% Germany 5 marks 1958 KM#123.1 (mrwhatisit) ........Poland 2 gulden 1770 KM#186.2 (tdziemia) 62% Flanders 4 stuivers 1540 N#96940 (tdziemia) 60% Straits Settlements 20 cents 1927 KM#30b (Hondo Boguss) ........Sweden 25 öre 1907 KM#775 (triggersmob) Also noted that the pegione of Milan circa 1400 was at around 66%, and that the Kutch 1/2 kori (Y-13) is at 61%. (Note: for some of the Kutch coins listed at 0.61 in Numista, KM has them at 0.601). 59% Poland 2 zlote KM#C-123 (tdziemia) 58% Dutch Republic/Holland, 2 stuivers, KM#48 (spence) .......Hungary, 20 krajcar, KM#432 (paralyse) .......Spanish Netherlands/Brabant escalin KM#47 (tdziemia) 57% Nethelands 5 cents KM#52 (BCTokens) ........Liege escalin KM#165 (paralyse) 56% German States/Prussia 1/6 thaler KM#299 (spence) .......German States/Oldenburg 28 stubuer KM#40(Jever) (paralyse) 54% Poland 4 groszy 1767 KM#185 (tdziemia); KM has this at 55% 51% Poland 4 groschen 1787 KM#208.1 (tdziemia); KM has at 55% 50% Australia florin 1958 KM#60 (triggersmob) ........Canada 25 cents KM#62a, 68a (DBM) ........Egypt 2 quirsh 1944 KM#369 (Hondo Boguss) ........France 10 euros 2011 (NumisRob) ........German States/Bavaria 20 kreuzer KM#549.1(paralyse) ........Great Britain florin KM#817a, crown KM#836 (NumisRob) ........Great Britain halfcrown KM#818.2 (paralyse) ........Great Britain 3p KM#848, 6p & shilling KM#852, 853 (Hondo Boguss) ........India ½ rupee 1945 KM#552 (Hondo Boguss) ........New Zealand ½ Crown 1935 KM#5 (Hondo Boguss) ........Peru 1 sol 1931 KM#218.2 (Hondo Boguss) ........Poland 1 gulden 1664 KM#120 (tdziemia, paralyse) ........Portugal 1000 escudos KM#731, 10 euros 2010 (hfjacinto) ........Russia 10 kopeks KM#Y20a (paralyse) ........South Africa 50 cents KM#62 (Hondo Boguss) ........USSR 10, 15, 20 kopeks KM#Y80-82 (january1may) Also noted that the 1/6 talara coin of the Duchy of Warsaw, KM#C85 under Poland is 53%. 49% German States/Saxony-Albertine 1/12 thaler KM#638 (paralyse) 48% Burgundian Netherlands/Brabant 2 gros N#95425 (tdziemia) .......France, blanc Charles VI (1385-1389) (erafjel) 45% Poland 6 groschen KM#42 (tdziemia) 44% German States/Hamburg doppelschilling KM#419 (spence) .......German States/Hamburg 4 schilling (KM#359.1) and 8 schilling KM#367 (paralyse) 42% Mexico 50 centavos KM#448 (ariette) 41% Burgundian Netherlands/Brabant 2 gros N# 104038 (tdziemia) 40% Burgundian Netherlands/Flanders, briquet N#248787 (tdziemia) .......France, blanc Charles VII N#4633 (erafjel) .......French Indochina 10 cents KM#14 (erafjel) .......Sweden I krone KM#814 (paralyse) .......Sweden 5 kronor KM#839 (triggersmob) .......U.S. Eisenhower dollar (jbuck, paralyse, kbbpll) .......U.S. Kennedy half (paralyse) I know from this thread http://goccf.com/t/457142 that 47% exists (maybe someone has an Ottoman zolota?) Edited by tdziemia 12/23/2023 08:49 am Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7966 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 06:50 am Time to post our coins with 30-39% silver! (I guess most collectors would say we're clearly into billon by any definition). I will start with this 1768 Polish silver groat KM#163 at 5 8/9 /16ths pure, or just under 37%: I know 38% is out there (0.375) and there's a common modern coin or two at 30%. Edited by tdziemia 12/23/2023 06:58 am Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 08:11 am Quote: ........Sweden 20 ore 1907 KM#775 (triggersmob) Minor typo, should be 25 öre. There are also less modern coins at 30 %. Here is a French denier tournois from 1245-1270 (Louis IX), at 0.299 silver. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7966 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 08:52 am Correction made. Nice addition. So, 3 deniers, 16 grains? I don't think I have anything with documented purity this early for Brabant. Flanders, I think, was following the French royal specifications at this time ... Maybe time to thumb through Gaillard. At 31% I have the Silesia/City of Schweidnitz half groat mentioned in a discussion upthread with @j1m, at 5/16ths pure (in order to undercut the nearby Polish half groats). Edited by tdziemia 12/23/2023 09:02 am Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 09:32 am Quote: Nice addition. So, 3 deniers, 16 grains? Well, I have 0.299 from Duplessy . But there is an edict by Louis IX from 1226 stating "Tournois petitz à 3. d. 18. gr. de loy arg. le Roy", which gives 0.299. Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5180 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 10:01 am This little coin from Bologna under Pope Clement XI is listed as 0.3125 on Numista. I'm not sure where they got the sources for that from... Papal States, Bologna Pope Clement XI (1700-21) billon muraiola of 2 bolognini 19 mm, 1.28 grams Obverse: [CLE]MENS.XI.PON[.]MA Reverse: [S.PE]TRONIVS [DE.BON.] (second pic is probably upside down) CNI 202 (vol. X p. 242) Lamoneta.it W-CXIBOL/9-16 Numista 388344 See this message for the story of how I identified this coin. (It wasn't trivial with this little detail to go on, though in hand it wasn't quite this blank.) Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34444 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 10:10 am Here is a 6 Groschen from the Polish Possession of East Prussia that clocks in at 0.3125 silver according to numista: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces75067.html "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7966 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 10:50 am Quote: "Tournois petitz à 3. d. 18. gr. de loy arg. le Roy", which gives 0.299. Oops! Calculation error on my part Quote: I'm not sure where they got the sources for that from... The current Numista referee on Papal States is very knowledgeable, and I think has at least one of the specialized catalogs (Muntoni or Berman), so that's my guess. I have the analagous coin from Ferrara, just up the road, so I can be pretty sure it's the same composition (CNI just calls it "M" for "mistura," mixture which is billon). Probably yours is KM#146? Looks like 0.3125 (5/16) was pretty popular! This 1566 Lithuanian groat struck at Tykocin was 5 1/2 /16ths silver, or 34%: Obviously there were a lot of situations in Poland-Lithuania where there was a minor debasement of 37.5% coins (3/8ths or 6/16ths) down to slightly lower purity in the 16th to 18th centuries. Edited by tdziemia 12/23/2023 11:11 am Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25648 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 11:13 am The obligatory U.S. wartime nickel - .35 U.S. 5 Cents - 1943-S Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25648 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 11:19 am Mexico minted their 25 Centavos (1950 - 1953), 50 Centavos (1950 - 1951), and One Peso (1950) in 0.300 silver. 1950 25 Centavos: 1950 50 Centavos: Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7966 Posts	Posted 12/23/2023 2:04 pm Quote: The obligatory U.S. wartime nickel - .35 YESSS!! How could I have forgotten that one! And thanks for being first with the Mexico types. We are off to a great start (and now up to 27 compositions since we started ... I KNOW we will hit 29 in the next few days): 37% Poland 1 groat KM#163 (tdziemia) 35% U.S. Jefferson War Nickel (Hondo Boguss) 34% Lithuanian groat 1566 N#46216 (tdziemia) 31% German States/Prussia 6 groscher KM#A297 (spence) .......Italy/Papal States-Bologna muraiola KM#146? (january1may) .......Silesia/Schweidnitz ½ groat N#65413 (tdziemia) 30% France denier tournois Louis IX N#42076 (erafjel) .......Mexico 25, 50 centavos, KM#443, 449 (Hondo Boguss) Also noted Mexico 1 peso KM#457 at 30% Edited by tdziemia 12/23/2023 9:19 pm Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189947 Posts	Posted 12/24/2023 1:23 pm Quote: The obligatory U.S. wartime nickel - .35 Nice looking example! Here is what they look like after spending some time in the wild... 1943-S Jefferson nickel Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7966 Posts	Posted 12/25/2023 11:40 am It's still possible to find them in change. Maybe 2 or 3 yrs ago was the last one I found. Another odd composition, 36% (5 3/4/ 16ths) for the Lithuanian groat struck between 1607-1615, KM#10: In that medieval French (and Low Countries) system we have been discussing a purity of "4 deniers" comes out to 0.319 or 32%, which we are missing thus far. A couple of coins I have identified at this purity are: - the Patard / stuiver struck by Philip the Handsone in the Low countries 1496-99 undated (GH#112) and dated 1499-1506 (GH# 120) - the 1/2 briquet struck 1474-1477 dated GH# 36 - the 1/2 briquet struck 1492 undated GH# 99 Maybe someone (spence? samoth?) has one of these types? Or erafjel will find a French coin at this composition? Report this Post to the Staff
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