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1881 S Morgan..........vam ?

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Hello Forum Family,

What do you think this will grade at?

1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???
1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???

Thanks,
Tim
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Tough to tell from pics of that quality. 63-ish, if it's MS. I recognize the style of the photos from a certain ebay seller, I think.
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looks like it might be scans and not photos. I agree with Dave though,MS63 if all those marks aren't bag marks.Scans give very flat no luster pictures if thats what they are, and makes it hard to grade.
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My daughter bought it for a lates fathers day gift. She got I from a local coin shop by me. I scanned this coin from my HP scanner. I can try to get better pics from my digital microscope but it wont be the whole coin because it only takes close up pictures.....
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Tpatna,no digital camera?
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OK, here is from my digital camera

1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???
1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???
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That is a really nice looking coin. It is very shiny. I think it would grade MS-63, perhaps MS-64.
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Here is a picture of the date from my digital microscope

1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???

The date and the stars look double? Is this a VAM ?
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Well from those pictures I would say MS63 PL, I would say double date marks. Very nice!
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in hand is that 188 in the date that much doubled or is that a picture anomoly? if the 188 is doubled it could possibly be a VAM-34 but I cant really make out the doubling good enough from the pictures to make a positive assesment on it. There are 51 VAM's for the 1881-S in the book and over half of those are double dates so a real close and clear picture of the date would be needed to attribute which VAM it actually was
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Hi Bryan1315....In hand it does look doubled, but I have to hold it just right to see it.....

Here are more pictures from the scope...

1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???

1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???

1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???

1881-S-Morgan..........vam-???
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Are we sure that's not just an optical illusion from the microscope? Is this visible using a regular magnifying glass?
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I can see it with my eyes by themself, however the double dont look raised at all. All the pictures, from the scanner, digital camrea, and microscope pick this up. Any Clues? Maybe I should move this to the error section?
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Hi Bryan1315,
Does the new pictures above, help. I do not have a VAM book yet, so I was hopeing you and others can give me some advise

Tim
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I believe that is an effect that is seen on a toned coin. When the coin is stamped, the metal is forced into the dies, that makes the metal that is stretched tone at a different rate than the surrounding area. It looks like doubling, but is just different toning in those areas.

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I have a couple Morgans that have date marks like that also. If I had to try and describe it,it looks like the numbers have slid up 1/16" leaving a mirror image behind.
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