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5 Cents 1932 ( Varieties : Far 2 And Near 2 )

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I already gave my opinion - I don't think that 1932 is a specimen strike... What other "clarification" do you want?
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" Clarification " for others dates that are identified " Specimen ", in the museum's coins collection of 5 cents, between 1922 and 1936.
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" Clarification " for others dates that are identified " Specimen ", in the museum's coins collection of 5 cents, between 1922 and 1936.


Oh ok.... let me run to the museum just to satisfy your "clarification"... Seriously? Have you ever owned or held a specimen 5-cent in your hands? Never mind the fact that someone tells you it is a specimen - but look at the coin itself. The strike, the lustre, the rims, the devices and how those devices meet the fields. Even if I did run to the museum for "clarification" would you believe me?

I gave you an opinion based on the images shown - I said I "had my doubts", meaning that if I was at a coin show, and saw that coin in an auction as a specimen in the viewing room - I would not bid on it and might even wonder if a third party grader dropped the ball, because it looks NOTHING like any other George V specimen 5-cent coin I have seen.

If you have doubts, then why don't you do the homework, instead of me - go on the Currency museum website, and compare that 1932 with all other archived images of George V specimen 5-cents, look at the images of George V specimen coins on the PCGS registry sets, then go to Nuphilex and look at the specimen 5-cent coins that Sandy Campbell will have in his case - then draw your own conclusions.... as I have done. Maybe it is a specimen, maybe it is not... but I have never seen a specimen strike that weak, on a coin with dead lustre. That is my opinion... is it right? Well, if I was purchasing that coin, I would rely on someone who specialized in that series (there are two CCF members I know who collect that specific strike and series).

My point is learn to trust your own eyes, and by that I mean not reading the words someone else has written in a book or on a website, but by looking at the coin itself...
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As a matter of fact, the " clarification " is not very essential if anybody is able to confirm that the photo of the 5 cents 1932 Far 2 depict or not a " specimen coin ", when this coin is studied and compared with the other " specimens 5 cents " (1922-1936), in the museum's collection.

But, I think that it is very important, for collectors, to see this 5 cents 1932 Far 2 ( UNCIRCULATED ), in this collection.


Note : I was informed that the finest 5 cents, from 1922 to 1936, originated directly from MRC.
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Well, ALL of those coins originated from the RCM - technically speaking. Most of the specimen coins at the Currency museum were probably purchased or donated from collectors. It is common to see the Bank of Canada curator at coin show auctions, if there are rare coins or bank notes on the auction block.

IF it is a specimen strike, then it should be easy to compare to other known 1932 specimen coins, I imagine all the 1932 specimen coins were struck by those same dies? In that case, those specimen strikes would not really count as the "finest known" of that variety, and could not be included in your data of business strike finds.
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SPP-Ottawa, you say " If it is a specimen strike, then it should be easy to compare to other known 1932 specimen coins ".
If it is easy for you, it is not easy for me and for many collectors .

You say too : "I imagine all the 1932 specimen coins were struck by the same dies? "
I imagine too that only one reverse and only one obverse dies were used to strike the specimens of 5 cents 1932 Far 2, if the museum's coin is a specimen . But, I don't imagine, I am sure that the two dies that striked the 5 cents 1932 Far 2 of the museum's collection were used to strike the business coins Far 2 later on.

For the end of your commentary, make yourself easy on that point : the " specimen " coin ( 5 cents 1932 Far 2 ) of the museum will not be included in my data

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A Museum is always a serious reference for collectors, whether at Paris, New-York, London, Ottawa or.....

In a Museum, a Picasso is really a Picasso and a specimen coin is really a spécimen coin, until someone produce proof to the contrary.

We cannot compare the informations from a museum with the informations from ebay and other sites.



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The coin collection of the Bank of Canada has been proven wrong by SPP on numerous occasions. He has a great re-pore with the curator and HAS HANDLED many of the coins that are there. It is probable that specimen dies were toned down and used for circulation strikes.
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Nickelsguy, do you have a specimen 32? I will make a point of asking H.N. about his specimen 32, when at Coin Expo later this year.
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Checked out 65 32's today....0 far2
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A Museum is always a serious reference for collectors, whether at Paris, New-York, London, Ottawa or.....

In a Museum, a Picasso is really a Picasso and a specimen coin is really a spécimen coin, until someone produce proof to the contrary.


Heh, following that logic, then these museums actually have credibility?

http://www.roswellufomuseum.com/museum.html

http://www.lochness.com/loch-ness-m...hibition.htm

http://bigfootdiscoveryproject.com

...and don't even get me started about museums showing Jesus riding dinosaurs....

I have said it before, trust your own eyes, and study the coin itself, not what someone says it is... then, draw your own conclusions.... I will be examining other 1932 specimen strikes, and comparing them to that in the currency collection. I will let you know what my observations are.

A quote from Bernard Haisch sums this up best,

"Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers."
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@ SPP-Ottawa,

You say : " I will be examining other 1932 specimen strikes, and comparing them to that in the currency collection. "

Thank you very much for this contribution to go ahead with this point


@ Vance,

Thanks for your data

And.... the trend is today :

33/4181 = 0.79 % for the variety " 5 cents 1932 Far 2 ".
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4148/4181 = 99.21 % de 5 cents 1932 Near 2

33/4181 = 0.79 % de 5 cents 1932 Far 2
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I hope that you will find one Far 2, at Nuphilex show, this weekend
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