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British Penny Key Dates?

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 Posted 06/01/2011  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add azda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An aquaintance of mine recently purchased this. Its an 1805 Twopence Pattern proof. Nice coin, can anyone spot anything out of the ordinary on it?

As for the 1933 penny, I think myths and legends come from hundreds of years of tales in which the get passed from person to person and each person adds a little to the tale, 1933 is only 78 years ago, bearing in mind that the coin was allegedly stolen somewhere around the 50s or so I doubt it's a myth and would have been reported by the press etc.

I did read somewhere that due to its theft that one of the other 1933s was taken from the cornerstone of a church I think it was so no one could steal that and I'm sure was sold. I'll do some more research on this.

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 Posted 06/01/2011  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
can anyone spot anything out of the ordinary on it?


As it's a Pattern Proof, and may be a one off, I can only compare it to 1797, to which it's totally different. Inner circles missing, designs have more detail, different positioning, relief legends as opposed to incuse, beaded edges etc etc etc.....UM....

Got any clues for us?

It's not chocolate is it?
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06/01/2011 6:25 pm
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 Posted 06/01/2011  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add azda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nancy, its not chocolate, you can't eat it, you can try and nibble if the teeth allow, although I take no responsibility for broken teeth.

Anyhoo, the clue is on the REV, it's also not a 1 off Pattern

And now for the 1933 Penny lovers amoungst us, please note that this coin was stolen in 1970, so to think its a myth


http://www.museum-security.org/?p=4392

http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewart...ArticleID=90

(In the above link, please take note of the part that states STOLEN)

if for some reason you miss it

The submitter reports that this example had been placed under the foundation stone of St. Mary's Church, Hawksworth Wood, Kirkstall, Leeds, England. Three documented examples had been placed in foundation stones of buildings erected in 1933. In 1970, during construction at Church of St. Cross, Middleton, one of these examples was stolen. In response, the Bishop of Ripon ordered that the St. Mary's Church 1933 Penny be unearthed and sold as a protective measure to prevent its theft. The whereabouts of the stolen example remains unknown.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...thdrawn.html

Anyhoo, hope this satisfies the curiosity andy
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 Posted 06/01/2011  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I'll have to concede defeat.
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 Posted 06/02/2011  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add azda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, to the left of the tident you can see the ghost image of another trident, also in the legend, between the Ns you can also see ghosting
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 Posted 06/02/2011  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is rather my point - all we know is that one was not found where it should have been.
I might add that anyone can read Wikipedia and quote it.

Anyway I'll let you know if I get anywhere in my quest for for contemporary sources.
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 Posted 06/02/2011  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add azda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only 1 was stolen andy, if you read, the officer from The Royal Mint explains. If you want the info from the horses mouth you can ask the RM under the freedom of information act
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 Posted 06/02/2011  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't find a quote linked above from The Royal Mint?

There are quotes from "The London Mint Office"
The London Mint Office is in no way connected with The Royal Mint.
For more about them (and what they are) see the link below.
http://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=...rrumour.html

Considering we are looking for details of an incident as late as 1970 - there just is no contemporary source. Why is this? - I don't know!

I will contact Joseph at the Royal Mint, but just lately all the records are being moved to the National Archives at Kew - so all you get is holding messages, telling you that they will get back to you......
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 Posted 06/24/2011  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add azda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Andyg, this quote came from Mark Rasmussen on his website, he had an 1827 for sale and this was his description



1827, BMC 1430 [ER]; S.3823, extremely rare in this condition, some signs of being lightly restored, toned,
All the 1827 pennies were despatched to Australia for the prison camps (Botany Bay Penal Colony). On route they were exposed to salt water and only a few survived relatively undamaged. Most suffered from different degrees of corrosion and verdigris. In my early days at Spink I purchased a display cabinet containing George IV coinage from a high street bank. All the coins were displayed reverse side showing and you can imagine my delight when dismantling the showcase I discovered two uncirculated 1827 pennies. I wonder where they are now, as I believe they are the only known examples in that grade

The coin in question sold for 3,850 GBP

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 Posted 06/24/2011  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
azda: That's the nicest 1827 I have seen!
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 Posted 06/25/2011  03:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add azda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep its nice sel, but not the nicest, this is the nicest I've seen. This one is UNC and was sold to an American collector for 14k



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 Posted 09/17/2011  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EgCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are Great info and links in this thread.... thank you all ....... I have started collecting these coins lately and I benefited a lot from your discussion ..... Thank you
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 Posted 09/17/2011  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That 1827 is quite a bit nicer than mine! My coin would be battling to make Fine.

Still.....I am happy; I picked it out of a dealer's junk box about 25 years ago.
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 Posted 09/25/2011  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add startabe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
azda that is a fantastic penny I love it
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 Posted 03/30/2012  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add britcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow this is very helpful to me
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