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 Posted 08/01/2011  11:58 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just got 2010 and 2011 silver proof sets from the mint, and they are both unacceptable quality. The 2010 has really bad spotting on the cent and a couple of the Presidential dollars - it looks like there was moisture in the packaging. The 2011 isn't as bad, but there is this weird stain and pitting on the Sac dollar.

I'm sending them back, but is this typical? I thought proofs were supposed to be inspected.
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 Posted 08/01/2011  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got a proof silver America the Beautiful Quarter Set and on one of the coins Washington had a circle of toning on his cheek. I sent it back and they replaced it with a set with a big scratch on the plastic holder. I kept it because the coins are nice. I do see occasional hazing on the mirror fields though. I recently bought a 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle for $2350 and it had so many hairlines on it from die polishing at the mint, that I sent it back to the dealer that I bought it from. This coin untouched from the mint would have graded MS60 and this was their "Mona Lisa" coin release. Quality control seems to be a problem. I did get an unslabbed 2009 Proof Gold Buffalo that is magnificent, so sometimes they do get it right.
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I recently bought a 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle for $2350 and it had so many hairlines on it from die polishing at the mint, that I sent it back to the dealer that I bought it from. This coin untouched from the mint would have graded MS60

Die polishing will not cause a coin to be downgraded to MS60, I have seen several UHRs with heavy die polish slabbed at 68/69.
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There were some nicks and scratches and scuffs on the plastic, I can live with that, but damage to the coins is not acceptable, certainly not this much damage. Now that I am looking at it again, there appears to be a cat hair stuck inside the plastic with the 2011 cent. What a pain.
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I agree - I was not thrilled with our 2011 sets. It just seemed poor quality, for example in some spots the laser thing (forget what they call it) was not 100% there on a couple of the quarters. The pennies were not great either - but living in the deep south, I have learned to live with it. I would just like them to be nice when they get here. We did not send them back thought ~
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I thought it would be MS60 because I saw one on ebay with two small areas of hairline that was graded PCGS MS65.
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I've returned several mint and proof sets for unacceptable quality in the last few years. I also returned an ASE Proof this year.
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 Posted 08/19/2011  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I finally got the replacement 2010 set (still waiting on the 2011) and it's still got problems. It's not as bad as the other one, but there is quite a bit of spotting on two of the Presidential dollars, and there is what appears to be a cookie crumb inside the plastic with the Hot Springs quarter, and lots of other dust and debris in the plastic on all the sets. I might just live with it because I don't care that much about the Presidents... Well, one of the spotted ones is Abe, so that's a bummer, but the other is James Buchanan so he can bite it.

I don't anticipate huge appreciation for proof sets, but maybe problem-free ones are going to be rare.

It's borderline for me to send it back considering the cost of shipping, and the odds that I'll get a better one seem remote. And if I send it back now, the 2011 will come in a couple days, and then I'll have to pay to send that one back in a separate shipment when it has a hole in one of the coins or something. What is the defect rate on these anyway?

How hard is it to crack and re-close these cases to remove debris? I figure the brass dollars are gonna tone anyway, but if I can get the debris out of the cases the rest of the set will be OK.
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I never open mine but give many away for Christmas prsents. Those people have told me the quality on theirs really stinks but since they are presents, I tell them to just keep for the future. Kind of tuff getting bad reports from someone you gave a present to.
I stopped opening my own a long time ago.
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It is too bad that there aren't more numismatic sales counters across the country. The salespeople there always let you choose among several sets the best ones the buy. Getting them in the mail and having to return them is a pain. The Mint should take a page from the RCM and sell coin products at the post office.
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It is too bad that there aren't more numismatic sales counters across the country. The salespeople there always let you choose among several sets the best ones the buy. Getting them in the mail and having to return them is a pain. The Mint should take a page from the RCM and sell coin products at the post office.

OR actually have some quality controls in place.
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I'm really surprised to see some of these posts on poor quality U.S Mint coins; I've been buying proof and uncirculated packages, ASE's, commemoratives for many, many years, as presents for my youngest (and myself!), and have found them to be flawless, year after year. I had read that they were really scrutinized to catch any problems, and my experience seemed to support that. I recently stopped buying the yearly sets, as they had been Xmas presents for so long it was getting too predictable, and the prices seemed to be creeping up. Perhaps it's just the last few years that have suffered these issues, maybe too much volume or even revenue pressures?
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 Posted 08/19/2011  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ronpacheco4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought 3 proof eagles(silver)in 2010. one had nicks in the back of the coin a 2nd one has lint in it.Green lint.the nicked one I returned got back a very nice coin.i still have the one with lint in it.which I hope to post here some day
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Anyone who says die scratches will downgrade their coin doesn't know what they are talking about.

Proof sets have always been a sticking issue with me. Generally the packaging they are in reacts with the coins if they are not stored in a completely environmentally safe area. That's usually what happens to them by the time you get them - stuck for six months in a humid, hot warehouse.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 2011 set just arrived, and it's worse than the first one! A couple of the dollars have nasty brown spots, and the Gettysburg quarter has ugly white streaks on it of some kind. I'm not even being that picky, these are awful.

I'm returning them with a nasty letter. I may just get a refund and give up on collecting these entirely until I can get ones I can personally inspect before I buy.
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I wondering if I should just try to replace the problem coins off of ebay or something instead of sending back the sets, considering I'll just get two more that suck just as bad (particularly since sales of the 2010 sets is ending.) Maybe I would have better luck on sets ordered early in the year before they've been allowed to sit around in a sea-cave or wherever their warehouse is. With free shipping, I can probably get the handful I need almost as cheap as three more round trips to the mint with these sets.
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