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I have to agree with morgans dad on this one. Tons (literally) of these sets are being sold by various dealers with only the slabs and no OGP. If somebody later decides to crack the slabs, they won't have an OGP to put the coins in unless they buy one on the secondary market. Whether those dealers are tossing out the OGP or holding onto them to resell later is unknown to me.
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Another factor to consider, IF you send off your OGP'D sets and later decide to "return home" you will NOT be able to with out the original clear air-tites, no other brand holder will fit the coin or back in the sweet OGP'D blue showcase.
I also do not see how anyone could call slabs in the original blue showcase, as having an ORIGINAL Government Packaged set, you mean slabbed coins placed into the original blue box........ W/E if that is what you wish, enjoy, but that is not all original........... I always see proof/mint sets in slabs, IMO, this is NOT an OGP'D set and to me is easier to locate then the actual originally issued envelopes with the coins in cello-packed sealed from the you S Mint sets, just my opinion, have you seen a 1951 proof set in your hand, says it all.............
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I had no trouble finding all the packaging (minus coins) for my made up set. It cost me $11 plus $12 shipping and I now have an "original" set. All my graded sets are in the original presentation boxes that they came in.
Regarding the "worth more" statement I made it was made in response to someone who said the raw coins would eventually be "worth more" (sale price) than slabbed. It was not made to degrade personal attraction to the coins. No soap box needed.
This is obvious since I made up my own raw set to keep. It is a nice set.
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Another factor to consider, IF you send off your OGP'D sets and later decide to "return home" you will NOT be able to with out the original clear air-tites, no other brand holder will fit the coin or back in the sweet OGP'D blue showcase.
I also do not see how anyone could call slabs in the original blue showcase, as having an ORIGINAL Government Packaged set, Man this is going on way to long but: I received all my air-tites back from NGC after grading... My OGP set is made up of Raw coins in air-ties, in the blue holder, in the blue box, in the blue sleeve. Thus, original packaging. Three of the coins are from my collection and 2 (RP & S) are from the set. As I said my graded sets are in the blue presentation box because they look great in there. They are not "ORIGINAL Government Packaged sets". They are graded sets in the original packaging. |
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Not Sure why all the passion over Slabbed and OGP,
I Can tell you that I have 3 sets in OGP and 6 sets Slabbed. The Only set that I can Prove were original are the Slabbed set.
I also have 8 Empty OGP packages and 50 US Mint Holders and can very easily buy S and Reverse Proof then add 3 none set coins and pass them off as a set which they are not and never will be.
For all the members holding the set In OGP how can you prove the set is original and not tampered with.
Billy
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Whether those dealers are tossing out the OGP or holding onto them to resell later is unknown to me. I got my 5 OGP (minus the coins) from GoldMart. They were selling these packaging for about $20+/- (shipped) each. I do agree that over time, those OGP packaging will be destroyed/ruin (same with the coins), ie: there will be a lot less OGP packaging than the number of coins. For those of you who like OGP, here a good idea: If you the the space, why not buying some of those empty OGP for cheap and wait for them to increase in value over time? I guess this is called speculation. On another note: I was asked by the US Mint to complete a survey a few weeks back regarding a possible "Special ASE Set" for 2012 (may be each year thereafter too). It seemed like the USMint saw great success/result in the 25th Anniversary Set that now they want to capitalize on it. I just hope that they will not overkill the ASE like those modern commemorative coins. |
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If the OGP is selling for $20 plus shipping, and people are buying them, then what's the problem, the only speculation I've heard so far is that people are throwing the the OGP away / getting destroyed?, which is simply not the case. If anything, we will be seeing this OGP for years to come, if it does not hold the annie set, it will have other ASE eagles placed in it instead, and you will see these on E-bay for a long time to come being as so many sets were supposedly put away or sold without the OGP. In effect, you will see more OGP available than you ever thought existed. |
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A lot of the empty OGP is being bought up (I have ten sets of box-COA-capsules myself), but there's already a lot less of these on ebay than there were last December. Not to mention the massive decline in A25 Set-in-OGP listings. Recent OGP Sets have been ending over $700. Almost PGCS-69 set money. "68-grade" coins are already better off being cracked and re-packaged in OGP. Indeed, if you have the complete OGP (including the five-hole insert and the Mint capsules), no one will ever know.  If OGP Sets start selling for more than PCGS-69 Sets, this will cause more demand for complete (minus coins) OGP. Quote:if (the OGP) does not hold the (A25) set, it will have other ASE eagles placed in it Like this.  It sure looks better than the five individual boxes these 2011-W coins came in! My local dealer kept asking me if I wanted to sell any of my A25 Sets, so I took this "5-W" Set in as a joke.  Edited by DNA
02/08/2012 10:20 pm
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One note worth mentioning if you have been following this set and it's finer details. The finish on the "bullion" grade coin doesn't match the standard coins minted for general sale that same year. This detail will be lost on most people but not the more sophisticated collector.
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I have come to respect the opinions of the members here who are always so very passionate about the collecting they do, I appreciate a good conversation and on this forum, I usually find some very honest, well educated Numismatists, with an equal or greater love for the hobby, Thanks to all, Mike....PS, FWM, If you think this is a long winded topic, I assure you, there are some that really get your thought process rolling, never too long, only good ideas being discussed with an open mind, by all with respect for ALL others, till the next interesting topic.......  |
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How about a short handwritten signed note on the reverse of the COA testifying the set is original as delivered from the mint. Hand on the Bible. If the eventual buyer knew me they would know it was legit. Besides, 100 years from now wouldn't it be cool to have such a document from the original purchaser? More unique than a slabbed set (but easily faked? Not with the future iPhone app that carbon dates the ink :-).
That being said, my 2 sets remain sealed in OGP. Avoiding temptation by keeping it out of sight until I decide, but one thing is for sure, this grading fiasco has left a bad taste in my mouth.
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02/09/2012 12:01 am
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And because of this fairly high percentage, I am surprised that ms/pf 70 sets command much of a premium. Which they won't when the hoopla dies down, which is why you have to act immediately if you want to take advantage of today's high prices. |
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What is needed for those designations? A certain date on the box? Last but NOT least-$1500.00 ! I'm not telling anyone what to do, but I would make an observation: The following are guaranteed to make money: - The mint
- The wholesalers
- The TPG
- ebay
You will make money: - IF they get ms70
- IF the market stays up while they're getting graded
- IF ebay works right
- IF silver prices hold or rise
IOW, go into this with your eyes open, and realize you're gambling, nothing more, nothing less. |
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IOW, go into this with your eyes open, and realize you're gambling, nothing more, nothing less. I agree, totally.  |
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Which they won't when the hoopla dies down, which is why you have to act immediately if you want to take advantage of today's high prices. Eagles do not always perform to the standard. Case in Point The 2008 Reverse of 2007 MS70 I sold mine for $975 during the frenzy. Today the non first Strike Averages $990. but the First strike label is worth another $800 Plus http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_sac...lete=1&rt=nc |
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