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PCGS Slabbed 1982 D Small Date MS-67 Red.95% Copper 5% Zinc 3.1g?

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 Posted 04/14/2022  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Flowme911 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@HGK3, I did check on the PCGS code, my issue is as I explained regarding pre-2016 slabbed examples. Since pre-2016 '82 D small date copper cents were not believed to exist, only zinc. And since there is no composition breakdown listed for the individual coin on PCGS, it leaves the possibility that it was assumed to be zinc based on 1982+D+small date=zinc
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 Posted 04/14/2022  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Flowme911 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The message I sent to DLRC specifically asks about the comp and weight specs, and how important it was that they had verified these specs themselves, and was directed back to the description page and assuring me it contained the accurate answers.
Yes, if DLRC knew they had an '82 D PCGS 67 RD Small Date Bronze Lincoln Cent I think is the correct term, it might realize more than the $80 I paid. Knowledgeable shop owners sell valuable varieties at bargain prices all the time, hence the CherryPickers Guide.
The possibility that a coin like this could be sitting in a graded slab unknown and overlooked since it was graded before the variety was discovered actually seems more promising than any other scenario I can think of.
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 Posted 04/14/2022  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaturnD51 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So from what I understand is you believe your slabbed coin may be a 1982-d copper penny in the slab and not 1982-d copper/zinc penny. Easy to understand. Just get another lower date slabbed Lincoln and weigh it. Your penny, if it is a copper 1982-d should weigh approximately the same. If your slabbed coin weighs less then there is a copper/zinc penny in your slab.

Then if your slabbed 1982-d small date penny weighs the same as an earlier slabbed Lincoln, then rip that sucker out an send it in for regrading because you possibly have a 1982-d small date copper penny.
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I think that HGK just stated it all here. The PCGS numbering system is in place to classify all coins they grade without filling up the label with redundant information.
Have a look at the PCGS site: https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...c-rd/3050/67
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 Posted 04/15/2022  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Flowme911 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...te-rd/146030

Then why does this also exist if they aren't fond of redundancy?
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https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...te-rd/146036

My bad, this one, other is to the Philadelpia, not the Denver
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 Posted 04/15/2022  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Giwalsh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Flow; you give me work to do. I weight hundred of new slabs and the difference give me 0.25 to 0.5 gr. So if you weight this slab with other must tell you exactly what you have. Remember was struck 6 bill. of coins in that year and no-one can tell how many in bronze or in zinc. I am curious to know where some one here find out it is the big rarity?
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 Posted 04/16/2022  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. Well. I don't think the grader would make that kind of mistake. I don't think they would (assume) just because it's rare that it wouldn't be weighed.
I wonder how many on CCF or anyone else wouldn't weigh a 1982D small date. No matter what condition it's in.

But that's my Two Cents.
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I agree RobO411, but at the time of grading, no small date copper had been found. The first one was only found in 2016...34 years after minting. I admit, I am not as familiar as I would like to be with the process coins go through when being graded and if coin weight plays any role in that, but I do feel it would play a role in authenticating a coin and would be noted in each coins profile. But with so many coins to grade it may not have been a priority for all coins at the time.
Anyways, I do assume it is just the small date Zinc and that DLRC mistakenly listed it as a 3.1g copper. I'll know later tonight either way and post the result of my test here. Until then though, I'm gonna take enjoyment from that miniscule chance that it really is copper since its still the best chance I've ever had of a true rarity.
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 Posted 04/17/2022  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say the chances of it being copper are about the same as any random 1982 D small date pulled out of circulation. If it was slabbed before any copper examples were found, then I don't think the seller would have any way of knowing what the composition is, so I wouldn't put any stock in their composition statement. The only way to know would be to crack it out and weigh it, I doubt the manufacturer puts any great effort into making sure all slabs are exactly the same weight.
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Coin is, sadly, Zinc. Since it is encapsuled in a Gen 4.1 slab, I took 2 other gen 4.1 slabs each with Roosevelt dimes MS69DCAMs. I placed a BU 2021-D dime weighing 2.3g flat on the 1982 slab, and on each dime slab I placed a BU 1959 copper cent each weighing 3.11g respectively. Before each weight check I reset the scale and measure accuracy with a nickel. Prepared also were 2 BU 2021-D Zinc Cents each weighing 2.5g and 2.48g respectively.
First weighing of the 1982-D and dime: 36.1g
First weighting of the Dimes plus Copper cents: 36.7g, 36.69g
Second weighing of the 19i2-D and dime: 36.1g
First Weighing of the Dimes plus Zinc cents: 36.1g, 36.07g

It was clear from the first Dime and Copper weighing, but I had to be diligent.
Good night all.
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 Posted 04/18/2022  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for following up and sorry they got the info wrong in the description.
It sure would have been awesome if it had turned out to the the "Elusive One".
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 Posted 04/22/2022  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hermz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
seller has description wrong; id believe that over PCGS mis-identifying copper over copper plated zinc.
PCGS website says value is $60 still so nothing real crazy and could probably re-sell for same price you bought at or try to get money back from seller for wrong description of product.
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 Posted 04/22/2022  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But saying it is worth that is one thing, but will you get that back? Most buyers only pay the coin, not for the child proof container.
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