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Here is a Half Groschen from the German Archbishopric of Mainz dated 1493 AD. It is attributed as Levinson I 303. @pepactonius, your description makes it sound like a good candidate for moving that earlier thread forward. Let's see what @jbuck says.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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I have a coin supposedly from the Delhi Sultanate that is clearly dated AH 896. According to one converter, this corresponds to Nov 14 1490 to Nov 4 1491, so the year of greatest overlap would be 1491.
Hopefully, there won't be a "cloud" over this coin, since the Delhi Sultanate was still around in 1491. Excellent!  Yes, when going from AH to AD, the greatest overlap is used.  Quote:
@pepactonius, your description makes it sound like a good candidate for moving that earlier thread forward. Let's see what @jbuck says. The earlier thread (third edition) already moved forward to 1488 and it looking for a 1487. With that being said, it is most certainly welcome to move the fourth edition along! |
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1492 -- Gelderland/Malines, double briquet   My oldest AD-dated coin. After this, only Islamic and ancient coins with dates, mostly too old for this thread. |
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Interesting that this same type is being issued as both Gelderland and Brabant in the same year, differing only in parts of the legend. And confusing that Malines (Mechelen) is minting Gelderland coins. I think historically Malines has been in either Brabant or Flanders?.
Maybe 1c5d can help explain.
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Glad to have a little company for today. Here is my Half Schwertzgroschen from the German Duchy of Saxony (Freiburg mint) dated (14)92 AD. It is attributed as Levinson I 290.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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1491 (AH 896 = Nov 1490 to Nov 1491 AD) -- Delhi Sultanate (supposedly), 1 tanka:   Rajgor type 1518? Note: Writing on the side with the date matches other online Delhi Sultanate coins reasonable well. On the other side, the writing matches reasonable well near the center, but not so well towards the edges. One problem with these coins is that there are two different writing styles used (angular and curved). It's a good thing these coins are cheap (and "abundant", according to the catalogs). |
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Very nice! Glad we have cleared that hurdle much easier this time.  |
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Let's make it two!    A 1 tanka piece from Jaunpur minted in the year 896, which is around 1491 in the Gregorian calendar. |
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Interesting that this same type is being issued as both Gelderland and Brabant in the same year, differing only in parts of the legend. And confusing that Malines (Mechelen) is minting Gelderland coins. I think historically Malines has been in either Brabant or Flanders?. indeed quite surprising; Malines (Mechelen) is generally connected to the Dutchy of Brabant the answer to the riddle is found in this book, which seems quite relevant for the next days The Early Dated Coins of Europe, 1234-1500
By Robert A. LevinsonOn page 228/229 of this book one can find a plausible explanation: constant warfare between the duchy of Brabant and Ghelders caused the mint to Ghelders to move from place to place. Page 229 has an interesting table of mint locations over the years in the 1490-decade - the double briquets of 1492 were minted in Malines. I know that Ghelders remained an area of contest for many decades thereafter. For instance, during the 80 years war the mint of the Dutch republic had to move North to Harderwijk when Alexander Farnese captured the city of Nijmegen in 1585. Complicated fabric of tapistry of contest, economics, power. |
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Let's make it two it makes 1491 appear like a piece of coin cake  Edited by 1c5d7n5m
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constant warfare between the duchy of Brabant and Ghelders caused the mint to Ghelders to move from place to place. Thanks! I guessed that our resident expert on history of the Low Countries would find the answer. As for Mechlen today, I have a nice memory of listening to a carillon concert one summer evening, from the bells in the imposing gothic cathedral tower, which was completed around the time of these late 15th century coins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._R...7s_Cathedral |
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I have a nice memory of listening to a carillon concert one summer evening, from the bells in the imposing gothic cathedral tower, which was completed around the time of these late 15th century coins next time when you plan a visit let me know ; we can easily walk or bike from my house to the center of Mechelen to tast the good beer of Flanders Mechelen was the place where Margret of York (the spouse of Charles the Bold) prefered to be https://toerisme.mechelen.be/en/pal...aret-of-yorkAfter Charles death during the battle of Nancy, his daughter Maria van Bourgondië, became ruler over the Netherlands. She married Maximiliaan of Austria, thereby founding the great Habsburg dynasty that ruled over the first global empire "where the sun never set". |
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the great Habsburg dynasty Ironic perhaps? I can't see the Dutch, Moravians, Hungarians, or North Germans taking such an appellation seriously. |
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good point, Arkie - great was not the best imaginable word and a bit of irony seems appropriate
on the one hand it may fit with the "plus ultra" motto of emperor Charles V
but it does not fit with the coins I post from the early years of the revolt against Charles son Philip II
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Points well taken, but historically it was a time when, unfortunately, religion was a catalyst for violence.
For the Tudor dynasty, which might also be thought of as "great" or historic (after all, they dealt the Hapsburg king an historic defeat in 1588), the shoe was on the other foot, and we can say the Irish, the Puritans, etc. would not consider them great due to their persecutions of both Catholics, and even non-Anglican protestants.
Regardless, the coins help us with the history (as is evident by 1c5d's posting of coins from the tumultuous times of the late 16th century). Which has always been a part of my love of numismatics.
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