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Bedrock of the Community
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What is the status on your return? Is the seller giving you any problems? I requested the return about a week ago. Seller has not responded to the request yet. Tomorrow I will ask the site to step in if I am not able to make arrangements with the seller. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes. Follow the steps and when the time comes to send back, be sure you send it signed for.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If they knew beforehand that it was damaged and failed to disclose it, then they are crooks. The seller provided pictures of a coin with AU detail and you bought it with no returns available. How do you know they "knew" it was damaged? You don't. Quote:
I requested the return about a week ago. Seller has not responded to the request yet. Tomorrow I will ask the site to step in if I am not able to make arrangements with the seller. Hopefully ebay will do the right thing and agree with the seller and not accept a return. That is what should happen. Edited by BH1964
12/28/2016 7:25 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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BH, please stop being such a sour lemon! He's a rookie on the bay and made a costly mistake. Put yourself in his shoes, just lost nearly $150 on a coin worth barely $50!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks to all for your input. Hope it works out for the best.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
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BH, please stop being such a sour lemon! He's a rookie on the bay and made a costly mistake. Put yourself in his shoes, just lost nearly $150 on a coin worth barely $50! He bought a $60 coin for $140 with no returns is what happened. What he "lost" is nothing more than credibility and the chance to take responsibility for his actions. The seller will likely be out their shipping fees (perhaps both ways), hassle with a return (and return of ebay fees) and have to relist an item where an underbidder was already over $130. Guess I forgot about the current mentality of making others pay for our own mistakes. Stick it to the seller who did nothing wrong and call then a crook to justify your actions. This thread is a good example with what's not right in the world. Edited by BH1964
12/29/2016 08:07 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Quite a cynical view of the world you have BH. You say Quote:
How do you know they "knew" it was damaged? You don't. and also Quote:
Stick it to the seller who did nothing wrong and call then a crook to justify your actions. You can not know either whether the seller "knew" or not unless you happen to be the seller. At best the seller is clueless and made an innocent misrepresentation (education time for them) and worst they knew. The OP also has learned a great deal from this one transaction as well in regards to dealing on ebay I would imagine. As well as the kind of support and advice they can receive on here from more experienced members. There are processes in place to handle these situations and that is what the OP is doing- using the guidelines laid out by ebay to get his money back for a product that was not as it was presented. So instead of sticking it to the seller -if in fact they do not know what they were selling - this is a learning experience for both the OP and the seller. Edited by scopru
12/29/2016 08:23 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Seller did not respond. I asked the site to step in and it took them about 5 minutes to decide the case in my favor.  So far so good. I will return the item and we'll see how it turns out from here. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
688 Posts |
This thread started off with the OP stating he bought this coin that looks shinier than the crystal ball at Times Square, has probably been cleaned, but he doesn't mind because the coin is so sharp. The original concern was over authenticity, which the consensus now seems to think it is real.
I don't see how the seller deceived anyone by "not" stating it was a damaged/cleaned/polished coin. OP mentioned right away he assumed it was cleaned and he was fine with that. The sellers pictures seem pretty evident of a cleaning as well.
I guess there was no gamble on this coin as the OP originally stated, as gambling means you have a chance to win or lose. In this case it was only a win/win proposition for OP, as he either got a coin in original condition or return it back to the seller. If the seller would have stated he accepts returns, I would have no issue about returning this coin.
In general, it is a good idea not to "gamble" on a coin from a seller with a "no return" policy
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I suppose that I believed it may have had an acceptable cleaning based on the pictures I saw, although I wasn't sure. With the coin in hand, I saw that it had been really harshly polished. I could argue that the coin is damaged in both instances. Fortunately I had recourse in spite of the seller's decision to not accept returns, and I chose to exercise it. I didn't really know what my recourse was until after I had the coin in hand, investigated my options and acted on it.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/29/2016 11:18 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11920 Posts |
Received this response from the seller. Wish all sellers would have the same decency to accept returns when they have sold damaged merchandise without saying that it was damaged. Quote:
Hi there. I see you requested a return. I will gladly accept the return and will issue a refund once I receive the coin. Thanks! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3516 Posts |
Well I guess it ended good, except for some new people getting in an arguement with a member here for a while. Hope that ends nicely. We dont want fights here at the CCF
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Pillar of the Community
United States
688 Posts |
Yes, it appears you were able to get recourse in this situation, it has definitely worked out in your favor. Hopefully you learned something from this and don't do the same thing again. Glad the seller is willing to cooperate on the return. Three things I learned very quickly when I started buying coins on ebay are to: 1. avoid raw coins from sellers who don't appear to be coin dealers 2. don't buy coins, especially raw coins, if you can't properly identify their authenticity and grade them 3. don't buy from sellers with a "no return" policy. Edited by yhbearcats
12/29/2016 12:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Good news then. IMHO, this illustrates that it's better to give folks the benefit of any doubt. I have an old friend who's a power seller on ebay. He mainly has sold high grade, BU wheat cents over the years. Just yesterday, he asked me to help him grade a batch of higher grade dollars, XF-BU, that he's planning to liquidate. He didn't feel confident in his grading of those. While I could see that he recognized wear points and such, I was surprised that he didn't spot a half dozen that were polished to some degree. Having seen the Lincolns he peddles, I'd trust his grading 100% on them, sight unseen. Just because a coin dealer demonstrates expertise in one area of our hobby doesn't mean that he's all-knowing. Seeing those polished Morgans, I was reminded of this thread. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks to all -- and I do mean all -- for your feedback and advice. I hope I will learn, but I cannot always guarantee that. I never intended to hurt the seller and will do my best to not do so in the future given what I have learned through this experience.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/29/2016 1:38 pm
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