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A Closer View Of Machine Doubling And Varieties. In 3-D

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 Posted 12/30/2018  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Definitely a good and very worthy thread! It's a very important one.
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 Posted 12/30/2018  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@coop, you have an SEM in your basement to take these pics?

Well done.
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 Posted 12/30/2018  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Not sure what a SEM is?
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 Posted 12/31/2018  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Ah sorry for the acronym. Those are amazing photos for light photography. They almost look like they were taken with a Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM).
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 Posted 12/31/2018  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 11997755 to your friends list
Love it when you do post like this. Distinguishing the difference between a double die and machine damage is one of the most challenging aspects of searching for me.
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 Posted 12/31/2018  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yellzaboff to your friends list
Thanks a lot coop, I always appreciate you commenting on my post to try and help me out. You have actually commented on all of mine, and I can't tell you how appreciative I am for that. You Rock Sir
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 Posted 12/31/2018  10:58 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Of interest, maybe, is that these machine doubled coins are not unique. It is not a one-time and done thing, but something that occurs the same or similarly on several to many coins. Apparently, or at least from what I have observed.

My example will be the very strong 1957-D that is used above. This die has become quite valuable to some collectors and it is by far the MD coin with the highest premium I know of.

1957-D Lincoln Wheat cent with machine doubled date (4 different examples)



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 Posted 12/31/2018  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yellzaboff to your friends list
I never knew any MD coins carried a premium, thanks for tidbit. Is it the most extreme examples of MD that carry premiums? Or something else?
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 Posted 12/31/2018  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
Beautiful cent tropicalbats! What do you think about this quad MD. All of this happened in one stroke. This came off a 1983 P LMC. I haven't seen anything close to this one.
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 Posted 12/31/2018  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Most people who buy them think they found the holy grail of doubled dies, until they try to sell them and find out they are not a doubled die. Another extreme one:
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Submitted and graded by PCGS. Normal coin though with MD. They don't figure Machine Doubling as an negative. But I'd never buy a machine doubled, doubled die. (yes that happens also)
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A large percentage of this DDO has Machine Doubling on them.
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When I first started in November of 2017, every time I saw md I thought I struck gold! Ive learned a lot in a year. The only reason this one is in a 2x2 is because of it being a quad MD. I haven't seen anything like it since.
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 Posted 12/31/2018  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Well it all happened during just one strike. The machine mush have been very loose that day. Machine Doubling doesn't follow any rules. What happens, happens after the strike. Kind of like a motor blowing up. What happens, happens.
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 Posted 12/31/2018  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Hey Jim! That's a spiffy quad you've got. Only seen that once or twice ever, and not nearly as strong as yours. Very nice keeper there. And yes, there actually are quad doubled dies known, although not many. One of them is on an Accent Hair 1964 Proof Lincoln half which makes it a double cherrypicker variety. PCGS puts QDR on the label instead of DDR like ANACS does.

1964 Kennedy half dollar accent hair quadruple die DDR-003


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Thank you tropicalbats! That QDR is amazing and a 69 to boot!
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Here is a 1890 Indian Head cent that is a Quad die:
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But most of the time when there is a tripled or quad die, they are harder to see than doubled dies. But the best ones are the ones you can see the spread/spreads/spreadings.
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