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George Cook Collection Coming Up For Sale

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 Posted 06/08/2019  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sid Belzberg to your friends list
"So does anyone who met the gentleman know why he did it? or if anyone has seen the cleaned coins, how exactly he cleaned them?"

First off Heritage underestimated the extent of damage to this collection apparently giving me their preliminary assessment before PCGS had regraded the coins.

Out of 547 lots approximately 100 coins are designated cleaned/no grade comprising almost 20% of the coins.

I was told by a dealer who I have known since childhood that George told him he used VIM a common bathroom cleaner to clean the coins. This substance does not get rid of the toning on coins but does make parts of them shiny. According to this dealer George also told him that he used VIM to clean the 1911 Dollar.
That would explain to me why the toning looks the same but suddenly various distractions in the Obverse field are more highlighted causing the coin to be downgraded to Specimen 64. Because the toning patterns are the same PCGS did not designate the coin cleaned but likely they assumed George had mishandled the coin.
George had a reputation for being very arrogant and certainly demonstrated his ignorance of numismatics with the comment of referring to a very desirable off center mint error as "garbage". Off Center mint errors on higher denominations are especially desirable.
I had a very unpleasant encounter with this man when he was worried that I would try to reacquire the 1936 dot cent at the 2010 Canadiana sale at Heritage Auctions.
I now regret that I did not acquire it as it too was downgraded by PCGS where they simply assumed that the Lacquer had been removed.
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 Posted 06/08/2019  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list
this thread is so interesting. frustrating to learn someone would carry on in such a way vim bathroom cleaner Geesh!
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 Posted 06/09/2019  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list
Good God...VIM...I have no words
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 Posted 06/09/2019  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sergiomomesso to your friends list
sad for these wonderful canadiana coin!
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 Posted 06/11/2019  09:59 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
This one is almost criminal... probably the only one in private hands... so sad and painful to see...

Before: https://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/wor...3029-30028.s

After: https://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/wor...3075-25010.s

The new PCGS label does not even designate this item as a specimen...
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 Posted 06/11/2019  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list
I'm guessing PCGS doesn't recognize a specimen for 1884 yet or is there another reason for it not to be included in Rob's complete specimen set.
Was the original designation by NGC correct?

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 Posted 06/11/2019  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list
SPP that juxtaposition of photographs is pretty stunning. They don't look like the same coin at all.

It will also be interesting to see the juxtaposition of the selling prices. I am going to guess that the price goes down by well over 50%....maybe 90%?. I wonder if PCGS would have even been able to positively identify this as a specimen if they did not know its provenance?
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 Posted 06/11/2019  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list
I see now that the PCGS holder does not say specimen. The unenhanced photo makes the coin look absolutely awful. I think the seller will be lucky to get 10% of what h
e paid.
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 Posted 07/15/2019  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectorx to your friends list
Searching the Heritage website for "George Cook" there appears to be 528 lots thus far.

Searching for "George Cook Genuine" returns 160 lots in search results. That's 30% of lots that have an issue as identified by PCGS.

Ugh.
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 Posted 08/12/2019  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Cleaned or not , played or messed with, whatever .
Look at the strong bids on a lot of the coins already .
When this stuff goes live at the ANA next week , looks like the Cook Family
Will not be starving . As I said earlier a lot of the coins are still
going to bring " Stupid Money" .
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 Posted 08/15/2019  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
The victorian dimes and most quarters seem to be going pretty strong.

Missed the pennies and nickles, stupid work!

Am I wrong on this or was it an obv 2?

https://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/can...dLots-101116

I keep looking at the eye as a marker with the gap, could not get a clear read off other markers, if yes, someone got a pretty sweet deal. Next time...

Still surprised at all the unattributed hairlines and questionable issues with some of the coins. Any bets that some of the "Details" coins will end up at ICCS?
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 Posted 08/15/2019  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
No, it's an Obv 4
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 Posted 08/16/2019  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
Thanks Okie, what are you using as a marker? I keep looking at the gap where the upper and lower eyelids join. If I am reading correctly, Charleston's obv 4 is touching. Not sure if the double chin was a lighting issue.
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 Posted 08/17/2019  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list
Smooth, rounded chin and larger truncation detail - obverse 4.
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 Posted 08/17/2019  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
As Rob says (and what I've gone by for 40 years), look at the chin/throat. Obv 2 & 3 both have a very visible dimple/indent. Obv 1 & 4 have a smooth, rounded chin/throat. You can tell a 2 from a 3 by the crossbar on the E's on the Obv ... 2's are normal/short and the 3's are very large/long. The Obv 4 is also known as the "mumps" portrait because her cheeks fat and puffy.
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