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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Over all a great resolution. But if it was me, I wouldn't want to deal with either the seller or the buyer. There are lots of other places to sell or buy.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Just one of the reasons I don't mess with ebay. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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More for me.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
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But if it was me, I wouldn't want to deal with either the seller or the buyer. There are lots of other places to sell or buy. wait..I'm the buyer. Yes, I've had some luck at brick and mortar stores that do online sales, but most coin shops in my area and my local coin show don't typically have much of a selection in my collecting area (early date branch mint Mercury dimes in AU and better). I'd love to hear more about where you've had luck buying and selling. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's nothing against you. But put yourself as the seller, you get an email it's questioning your business practices that you probably do as a hobby and not a business. To sell something that probably you make $5 on each sale. It's just not worth the time/ hassle to reply. You as a seller want an "I'll take it" and nothing more. Now as a buyer if I'm looking at something and iffy on it, I may have a question but for a common item I'm better off just buying it. I have purchased a few things on ebay and my questions are usually is this new for a Dansco for example. For coins I just don't ask but that's because I have 4 LCS bear ne and I can buy there. If I buy on ebay I expect to pay more than I can get it locally, there is a small chance I can get ripped off and 3rd the item isn't available locally so I'm more flexible in what I get. It's not you, it's just my expectations of ebay are much lower than yours. |
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Valued Member
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My experience as a seller, I often notice that the people who ask the most questions up front are usually the ones that are going to find an issue in the end. I just ate the cost recently of someone who bought a rare a still sealed playstation game off me. They opened it, played it, and wanted a return for "damage" that would easily happen at the factory (there really wasn't any real damage). I had no choice but to accept the return and I now have a game that is worth about $60 less because someone wanted a free rental from me. In this instance, he was sending messages up front worried about the packaging and the price of the item. I also got to pay shipping 2 ways and paypal got to keep my fee money.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've bought from Seth a couple times with no issues.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:All a buyer has to do is to click the "item not as described" box asking for a reason for a return, and bingo! ebay automatically refunds on seller behalf. This has always been ebay's policy, this is nothing new. Sure, there are bad sellers just as there are good sellers, and there are good and bad buyers too. Regardless, the buyer is always right in a question if the item is "as described" or not. This actually isn't entirely true or that true depending what is being sold and how and by who. That said it blows my mind why people would encourage buyers that they have an unethical return method is beyond me Anyone who won't even look at ebay as a buyer is only hurting themselves and people presenting ways to try and scam the ebay method are not helpful |
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Pillar of the Community
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I've bought from Seth a couple times with no issues. This is super helpful 52Raymo! From "no issues", I take this to mean Seth's photos accurately represent his coins and you've had no surprises after the coin arrives. Based on this and the fact he is long-standing and seems reputable, I decided to risk it and bid on this "No Returns" coin. Not sure where you are in OR, but it looks like Seth is in Salem -- I assume you bought from him on ebay, not in person? Quote:That said it blows my mind why people would encourage buyers that they have an unethical return method is beyond me. Anyone who won't even look at ebay as a buyer is only hurting themselves and people presenting ways to try and scam the ebay method are not helpful This is an interesting comment. I agree that there are lots of good buys to be had on ebay and therefore collectors should consider it as a decent venue for coin purchases. The "No Returns" seems to add risk though. As a rule, I wanted to avoid coins with this policy, but I now understand better why some sellers end up here (too much hassle with returns and losing money when it happens). The bigger houses (e.g., Great Southern Coins) know they can get higher bidding on most offerings that will likely off-set any fees incurred on incidental returns. I ended up winning this coin for $127 (tax included...that seems relatively new on ebay too. Used to be only other NY sellers charged me NY tax, now NY even gets my tax when purchasing from a seller in a no sales tax state (Oregon)). I think the coin was worth the $ based on the photos but this could be a test for me, if the coin doesn't live up to my expectations based on the photos, I may never buy from a No Returns seller again. By expectations, I mean full luster, not just in the areas where it happens to be evident in the photos per the angle of the lighting. My understanding is luster is directly related to grade. All things being equal, impaired luster will drop the grade compared to full luster. Regardless of how good (or bad) a coin looks in hand after the fact, I believe a single obverse and reverse photo will only capture so much of what is or isn't there (e.g., luster). |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I just looked up the coin you bought. I'm not a fan of the spotty, uneven toning, but it does look mint state with FSB and decent luster. Let us know how it looks when you get it in hand.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Mail187man. That is my expericance as well. If you start getting a lot of questions from a buyer, 9 times out of 10 they are going to return it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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OFD...he's about a 45 minute drive from me, so ebay. I can't remember the coins I bought from him but don't remember any problems. Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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CCF Advertiser
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I'm a seller on ebay, as The First Dollar, and I deal with a lot of odd public. You are far from the oddest person and your inquiry was not rude. I understand sellers not accepting returns as Paypal now charges you 3% to take them. We are also encouraged by ebay to just pay for your returns, which I do. I have maybe 2 returns a year, I just consider it the cost of doing business. When you have a real business you look at overall costs and profits. When you are just a hobbyist, you look at cost and profits of each transaction, which causes you to make odd and counterproductive decisions, like losing a customer over $3. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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The "No Returns" seems to add risk though. As a rule, I wanted to avoid coins with this policy, but I now understand better why some sellers end up here (too much hassle with returns and losing money when it happens). The bigger houses (e.g., Great Southern Coins) know they can get higher bidding on most offerings that will likely off-set any fees incurred on incidental returns. It is unfortunate paypal has decided to go the way they have with the fees especially since the fees are charged with sales tax included as part of the total that the fee is taken from (still really not sure how that is actually legal to do but no one has challenged it yet). There is certainly added risk to no returns listings but when sellers are realistically looking at $40+ in fees for a customer to return a 1k coin even if the customer pays return shipping more and more sellers are going to be moving to no returns as time goes on. To be fair though the auction houses really don't allow returns either and if they do it's like once a month not at will like ebay. That said the majority of sellers will always offer returns if the buyer offers to cover the costs of it Quote:
My understanding is luster is directly related to grade. All things being equal, impaired luster will drop the grade compared to full luster. For sure. Luster is part of the grade. Quote:
Regardless of how good (or bad) a coin looks in hand after the fact, I believe a single obverse and reverse photo will only capture so much of what is or isn't there (e.g., luster). Absolutely, which learning to read picture styles and make educated guesses at it is the hardest part about buying online especially for raw coins. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Absolutely, which learning to read picture styles and make educated guesses at it is the hardest part about buying online especially for raw coins. On that note, I'd love to hear others' thoughts on which coin is most lustrous (and is that coin also the highest grade). http://goccf.com/t/365924 |
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