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Meandice,  to the CCF. Close, but the photos you provided show Machine Doubling unfortunately. The DDO has clear split Serifs in "REGINA" and you can see a completely separated "E". Like the following photo  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Thanks JohnWayne007,
I guess I got a little too excited...
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 , that's not a DDOKeep hunting Meandice... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Rocky, as far as I'm aware "flat field doubling" is only on proof coins, an the coins Meandice posted dont look like proofs by any means. I've got more than a handful of coins exactly like the ones Meandice posted straight from Original bank wrapped rolls for 1967 in MS condition and they all look like Machine Doubling to me IMO. I've done the overlays, the devices are reduced drastically compared to a normal cent (device reduction = Machine Doubling) I'm not convinced it is anything more than that. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) Edited by JohnWayne007
06/25/2020 8:34 pm
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Nice..I have a whole roll of these in ms 63-64 red with varied date doubling through out.. Seems the 60's were ripe with errors and varieties.
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Edited by tone2tone
06/26/2020 10:12 pm
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tone2tone, that is all Machine Doubling, I have one of these in MS as well. Rocky, US and Canadian Doubled Dies are two completely different things, what works in the US doesn't always apply to Canadian coins. So to answer your question that is clearly a Doubled Die, as you can see the separation and split serifs, but you do not see any of that in the coins Meandice posted, I am very well aware of what Machine Doubling looks like. Look at the following photos, one is a normal 1967, next is a Machine Doubled 1967 with Die Deterioration, the next coin is exactly like Meandice, but in MS condition. ALL Machine Doubling and Die Deterioration. I have a whole stack sitting in front of me and plenty more in circulated condition, which to me means it is very common.    I will point out that I think an admin should put Meandice's post into a post of his own so that SPP-Ottawas doesn't get hijacked over Machine Doubling. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) Edited by JohnWayne007
06/26/2020 10:26 pm
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Nice coin, Roger.
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Thanks Rob. This thread got a little derailed... I was specifically referring to PCGS certifying the DDO that I wrote about, and subsequently ended up in the Charlton Catalogue. I can't take all the credit however, CCF member 'errorone2012' is the person who put that coin in my hands many years ago. The split serifs, to me, are the criteria for PCGS certification. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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. The split serifs, to me, are the criteria for PCGS certification. From my experience this seems to be the case. Good job getting it recognized btw. |
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okiecoiner JohnWayne007 I ment no disrespect I know you are both very knowledgeable. you are very good are coins. I have to disagree with both of you. but you see it as you do. I see it as I do. lets leave it at that. I will very soon show you a picture of real Machine Doubling. you will know what I mean then. keep up the good work. |
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Thank you all for the information and feedback. This community is extremely active, engaging, and welcoming! I didn't mean to "derail" the thread. I think, perhaps, moving forward I'll just create my own question threads and link other threads...NTL, I will put this coin aside until I can have it looked at "hands on" by a collector.
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Meandice great that coin needs to be checked. the link I put up for you. that site has a wealth of information. I am waiting for some steel from the USA. I am building a solid mount. I will be posting pictures of Mechanical Doubling. later here on the forum. have a great one |
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Meandice, you might want to check out Ken Potters Facebook group. He has extensively studied both US and Canadian doubled dies for the past three+ decades, if not longer. He actually spoke at length to the Royal Canadian Mint production managers, right after all the 1974 Winnipeg nickel dollar doubled dies were discovered. Ken also maintains a doubled die website. Ken is one of the few authorities of Canadian doubled dies I know of, and has the publications and reputation to boot. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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This coin (1967 DDO) is now part of the PCGS Registry: CANADIAN ELIZABETH II CENTS WITH VARIETIES, CIRCULATION STRIKES (1953-2012) https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/ca...position/382That should increase the demand (and price) - Errorone2012 should be very happy, as he was the one to give me this coin and asked me to write about it. Then it made it into the Charlton Catalogue (front section) and now recognized by PCGS... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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