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1c 1967 DDO Now Attributed By PCGS

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 Posted 06/05/2020  10:56 pm Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I sent in my best coin, the one I used in the CN Journal article on this coin (came back MS-64R).

PCGS #819448 (for MS Red coins).

https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/my...9448/3202321

I have added it to my Showcase set on small cent varieties:

https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/co...rieties/3155
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 Posted 06/06/2020  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice,but it it a doubled die not a double die.
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 Posted 06/06/2020  10:01 am  Show Profile   Check gidjit's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice one and nice collection, I love looking through these collections on PCGS and the pics are good but I have always found their photos hard to make out alot of the varieties, they need a zoom feature
please check out my collection of large cents from 1858 - 1920 (click link below, you DO NOT need a facebook account to view)
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 Posted 06/06/2020  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have the True View high resolution photos - I could always zoom in and add them to the showcase.
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 Posted 06/25/2020  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meandice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome!

I saw this post an ran to my penny bin...

I think I have 2 great examples (and 2 possible candidates)

One shows clear DDO of "D.G.REGINA"

The second of only the "NA"



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 Posted 06/25/2020  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Meandice, to the CCF.

Close, but the photos you provided show Machine Doubling unfortunately.

The DDO has clear split Serifs in "REGINA" and you can see a completely separated "E".


Like the following photo

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Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 06/25/2020  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meandice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks JohnWayne007,

I guess I got a little too excited...
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 Posted 06/25/2020  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, that's not a DDO

Keep hunting Meandice...
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 Posted 06/25/2020  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rocky, as far as I'm aware "flat field doubling" is only on proof coins, an the coins Meandice posted dont look like proofs by any means.

I've got more than a handful of coins exactly like the ones Meandice posted straight from Original bank wrapped rolls for 1967 in MS condition and they all look like Machine Doubling to me IMO. I've done the overlays, the devices are reduced drastically compared to a normal cent (device reduction = Machine Doubling) I'm not convinced it is anything more than that.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 06/26/2020  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tone2tone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice..I have a whole roll of these in ms 63-64 red with varied date doubling through out.. Seems the 60's were ripe with errors and varieties.
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 Posted 06/26/2020  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tone2tone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is what I have on my my reverse of some of my 1967's..No split serrif on the "E" These don't have the doubled date on the reverse..What about those 1967's with the missing beaks on the dove?



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 Posted 06/26/2020  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
tone2tone, that is all Machine Doubling, I have one of these in MS as well.


Rocky, US and Canadian Doubled Dies are two completely different things, what works in the US doesn't always apply to Canadian coins. So to answer your question that is clearly a Doubled Die, as you can see the separation and split serifs, but you do not see any of that in the coins Meandice posted, I am very well aware of what Machine Doubling looks like.

Look at the following photos, one is a normal 1967, next is a Machine Doubled 1967 with Die Deterioration, the next coin is exactly like Meandice, but in MS condition. ALL Machine Doubling and Die Deterioration. I have a whole stack sitting in front of me and plenty more in circulated condition, which to me means it is very common.






I will point out that I think an admin should put Meandice's post into a post of his own so that SPP-Ottawas doesn't get hijacked over Machine Doubling.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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 Posted 06/27/2020  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin, Roger.
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 Posted 06/27/2020  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rob.

This thread got a little derailed... I was specifically referring to PCGS certifying the DDO that I wrote about, and subsequently ended up in the Charlton Catalogue. I can't take all the credit however, CCF member 'errorone2012' is the person who put that coin in my hands many years ago.

The split serifs, to me, are the criteria for PCGS certification.
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 Posted 06/27/2020  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
. The split serifs, to me, are the criteria for PCGS certification.


From my experience this seems to be the case.

Good job getting it recognized btw.
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 Posted 06/27/2020  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
okiecoiner JohnWayne007 I ment no disrespect I know you are both very knowledgeable. you are very good are coins. I have to disagree with both of you. but you see it as you do. I see it as I do. lets leave it at that. I will very soon show you a picture of real Machine Doubling. you will know what I mean then. keep up the good work.
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