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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Residue or adhesive from another coin or coins stuck to it for awhile, maybe acidic and ate through in areas.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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PMD can occur a million different ways. Something acidic was sat on this coin (probably coffee) that ate into the surface. Zinc rot came later, and is still eating away on this poor cent. Zinc rot can cause the surface to be raised where the rot is eating away happily. If you are positive it's a mint error, send it into a TPG and slab that puppy (but slabbing won't stop the zinc rot). 
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Valued Member
 United States
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Quote:If you are positive it's a mint error, send it into a TPG and slab that puppy (but slabbing won't stop the zinc rot). I love it Merclover!  I've seen a lot of Linc's and can predominately rule out PMD and the such (not saying this is a bonafide mint error.....) but I'm just not sure viewers are looking closely at the entirety of the pictures. Can anyone see the rounded raised circle at the bottom of the coin in the CLOSE UP pics? If it was eaten away by some acidic substance it would have eaten into the devices as well.
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Moderator
 United States
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Look PMD to me. John1 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Several possible causes, but definitely post-mint damage.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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It can't be a planchet flaw and there are only certain things that can cause an error during the striking of the coin. It doesn't really matter how it happened, what is important is that it cannot be an error so therefore it is PMD.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Post strike damage--cool example at that. I'd drop it in a 2x2. I suppose one could roll the dice and submit it to a TPG.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thank you all very much for your replies. I'm not one to keep 'beating a dead horse' so to speak but I'm just not convinced this is PMD (I do value everyone's thoughtful opinions though). Not that an acetone bath will remove zinc rot, which it does have no doubt, but I may try it to see if some of the stuff on the reverse is gunk so I can maybe get a better feel for this one. The more I look at the less than spectacular pics I posted the more I can see how it definitely and absolutely appears to be PMD without having this coin in hand. I thought the very same thing myself until I took a very close look. Thanks again for your responses!
Edited by Scuba1 02/21/2021 2:46 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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If you send it to a trusted TPGer please let us know what they say. John1 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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soak it in pure acetone for a couple of hours, then have another look at it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
565 Posts |
 With everyone PMD and soak it
Edited by td5173 02/21/2021 8:55 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Couple of hours in acetone with the coin in that condition would turn the entire coin black...20 to 30 minutes max and keep your eye on it while soaking
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Valued Member
 United States
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First of all thank you for the last several replies since I last responded. I did soak it in acetone for a little while until I felt comfortable removing it. Aside from the obvious zinc rot, which is more than obvious due to the upper ring being a groove and incuse therefore exposing the core, the acetone did take away quite a bit of yuck stuff in the groove which showed more detail. The displaced metal around the upper ring is easier to see now. The displaced material around the ring leading up to and away from the devices had no effect on the devices at all. If this was something that occurred post-strike I believe I would see damage to the legs, serifs, shield, scroll, etc... but they are all undamaged and intact. The bottom raised ring is also interesting in that it stops and continues at the bottom tip on both sides of the shield and enters and exits the left side of the scroll with no damage to that area as well. In addition, where the grooved ring begins above UNITED, the rim is completely intact which should have been flattened had this been PMD, IMHO... So...... last night while searching another bank roll, I found yet another 2018 Philly Shield with the identically positioned discolored ring on the reverse as on the original Cent in this post, very odd for sure! That coin was only discolored and the surface and fields do not display any noticeable ridges or grooves as does the original coin in this post. I took several better pics of the "dipped" coin but I'm not going to post them unless someone requests because I don't like "beating a dead horse" as I previously said a few days ago...lol. I will post the additional cent I found last night for comparison. And John1, thanks for the suggestion to maybe submit the coin. I'd think ANACS would be my best bet for something like this? Do you or anyone else agree? I've always just been a collector for fun and never pursued submissions but this one is killing my curiosity. I know it's not a game changing coin but I'd like some closure without throwing out too much $$. Thank you for all the discussion and insightful answers and suggestions.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Here's the other 2018 Philly I found last night. It is in much better shape, without grooves or ridges, but has the identical looking colored ring as does the original cent in this post. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I believe these are PMD as well, although I'm not seeing the zinc rot others are calling this. This is all residue and staining from another liquid-soaked cent laying on top of it (IMO). You usually see this from coins left in cup holders as coffee and other acidic drinks drip onto the coins, as pointed out before. It's not what most people think of PMD as (scratches, dents, parking lot coins, etc.) but it's damage in the sense that the coin is discolored and likely has some minor corrosion underneath. If you're dead set on sending it to a TPG, ANACS would be the way to go. They're cheaper and better at labelling minor or obscure errors and varieties. However I am very confident you won't get the result you would like and I don't want you to "throw out" any money, so I wouldn't advise it.
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