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I Have My 1943 Over 42 Mercury Dame With Better Pics That I Think Shows A 2

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 Posted 07/20/2021  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
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Not to be too negative, but no 1943/2 dime has ever been discovered and it's extremely unlikely that you have one. Almost certainly your dime suffered a well-placed hit that distorted the shape of the 3. Your coin is worth silver content value, around $2.


While the long odds are that Jaobler's correct, I'm not yet convinced. The blurry pics do suggest the possibility of an overdate. Just because no such coin has yet been discovered surely doesn't preclude the possibility. Consider that the 1919 DD dimes floated about for about a century before that variety was discovered. Then too, the 1938-D/S nickels, of which thousands exist, took a generation to be discovered!

I recommend taking the coin to a few shows and asking some knowledgeable dealers/collectors to examine it in-hand. That said, I once did that with a double-denomination error, a six cent piece, being a cent overstruck by nickel dies. Most of the dealers, including a major error dealer, tossed it back to me, without realizing what it was! Eventually, a dealer bought it from me for a four-figure price. So, showing a major error coin around, even if it is highly suspect, can pay off.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bustos to your friends list
Thank you ExoGuy for the advice. After spending a few hours on the net and it only bringing up the 42 over 41 I thought to myself WOW I might just have something. I will find an export to examine it themselves and I will for sure post the results on here. I am sorry for what I had said I did not realize that the pics still didnt come out but they should not criticize me. I really wished these pics would have came out because you can see more detail especially under the microscope with light hitting the coin at different angles. It looks no different from the 2 on other Mercury dimes
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You might save a lot of leg work by just submitting it to a major grading service.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
Clearer shots would definitely help, but I think I can safely say, there is no 2. The angle of the mark in question, along with the curvature is not correct with that of a 2 from a 1942. The one in your example is straight, with no curvature.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list

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Sorry for what I had said but they shouldnt have criticized me

I encourage you to go back and read all of the "criticizing posts". They are polite and well-intentioned suggestions. You posted a coin - presumably asking for the opinion of the forum - but did not provide photos to enable the forum to assist you. Those who would like to assist you suggested that - if you want their opinion you would need to provide pictures that more clearly show the anomaly that you are claiming.

As far as the coin goes, while it is possible that such a variety has gone undetected for all these years, it is highly unlikely. Varieties are not like errors. Errors can be one-off events. Varieties are created by a die that has an anomaly and every coin created by that die will have that variety.
With cheap and easily available USB microscopes and increased awareness in looking for such things, it has become less and less likely that any major variety will be discovered.
I would be glad to be wrong and for you to have found a major overdate, but it would be a shame if you wasted money verifying this coin only to discover that it is a damaged 1943 dime.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list
I see damage.
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@Bustos .... Given the long odds of your dime being a rarity, I suggested attending a coin show. Obviously, you've an interest in coins, so my ulterior motive was to fuel that interest! Good news or not, I'm looking forward to your post. Perhaps, you'll then be able to grab better pics, and we can all learn more about this curious dime. There seem to be a number of possibilities.


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You might save a lot of leg work by just submitting it to a major grading service.


@Coinfrog .... True, but what better way for a coin collector to stretch his legs than at a show?

Furthermore, why send $40 to a TPG service on a longshot coin when you can buy 20 lottery tickets and possibly win $5-10?

Finally, some months ago, I submitted a rare silver conder token to NGC. Along with it, I sent easily verifiable proof that the token was 80% silver. To top that off, the token was already in another company's slab and designated as silver; this, as THREE specific gravity tests showed same. NGC returned the piece, stating it was PLATED! Since when are 80% silver coins/tokens regarded as plated!?

My point is that the TPG'ers don't always know what they're doing .... beyond raking in money by minimizing their effort, that is! If our OP's coin proves to be a cool discovery, THEN, it needs to be in a slab.
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I have a little microscope that is attached to an android without service. I got a crystal clear image of the date off the actual coin and used my personal android to take a few pics to post on here.
When you take a photo of a digital display you are going to lose details that are present in the original image. It is like making a copy of a copy on the old photocopiers.

In you case, I would either do a screen-capture on the non-service android (method varies from phone to phone, but usually a combination of power-volume buttons) and use WiFi, Bluetooth, or USB to download the image off it or attach the microscope to the phone with service to do a screen-capture there.
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@ExoGuy is correct that new discoveries can be made, particularly with the proliferation of cameras, microscopes, and online images that allow the examination of thousands of coins without amassing a large collection. Even a dolt like me discovered a third Barber dime reverse type after almost 120 years, and am working up an article on a third Barber quarter obverse type recently encountered.

That said, with the popularity of the 42/41 overdate, the "doubled die" craze, and the fact that a 43/42 die would have produced many thousands of coins, something like this lying undiscovered would be very unlikely. Your coin is heavily corroded around the date, and one of those corrosion blobs just happens to look like the downstroke of a 2.
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I agree wih jbuck. I sure hope your dime is 43/42!
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To the few jerks, you should stop cause u guys sound dumb when u havent even seen a clear pic


You don't need to react like this. They posted their opinion. They are not the reason that there is not a clear pic. They are not "sounding dumb". What aches me is that people post better pics looking for a doubled die worth $8 and you with the chance of having a coin worth a few grand don't have good photos. You can improve your chances of getting a coin attributed here buy spending $20 to get pics somewhere if you can not take better pics with jbuck's advice. What they posted is what anyone can see from these images.
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If you send it in, and it comes back as a genuine 1943 over 1942 overdate, I'll pay the grading fee. Offer expires 45 days from now.
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To the ones that kept it simple and said we need better images or made a few suggestions thank you I respect that. There was a few comments who were just being smart asses but I dont see their comment anymore. I started examining the 42's on my dimes and I do see the differences but like someone mentioned they do look as if they are fat or double. That being said if I held the light a certain way I almost got it to look like there is no curves. On the dime in question I have a pic that shows the curve on the bottom almost perfect and you can see a perfect horizontal line that is uniform with a 2 and it sticks out a tiny bit in the back of the 3. I will get professional advice and I'm gonna try the suggestions and see if I cant post better pics for everyone to see. I'm with all of u and I think its is a long shot but a person never knows. Thank all of you for the inpute and I will post what I find out
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You can show us pictures until the cows come home, but the only way this coin will have any legitimacy (read value) is if you get it authenticated and graded by a major grading company. Do it now or do it later, but you will have to do it eventually if your faith persists. Our opinions don't really matter.
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