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1947 P Jefferson Nickel Serious Lamination. But What Are Dark Streaks Called?

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 Posted 12/18/2021  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I think TNG is correct.
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 Posted 12/18/2021  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VestigeWolf to your friends list
But I see them on many nickels. Like this 1938P. I do cents mostly so I am learning the difference here. Would this be like a Woody cent?

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 Posted 12/18/2021  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Maybe a combination of both improperly mixed alloy and lamination. Perhaps where those streaks or lines are and the structure of two metals (Copper and Nickel) caused those areas to separate from the surface upon striking the coin?
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 Posted 12/18/2021  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Agree with TNG immediately above. I've seen a few of these over the years.
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 Posted 12/18/2021  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Minor lamination of metal that was cold rolled onto the base stock that did not adhere to the original hot material. Note how the roll length wise on the planchet. Often these are more of a distraction to the coin and lowers interest in the them. Making the normal coin of more interest than one that has a distraction to a serious collector.
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 Posted 12/18/2021  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
I have mentioned this before but have always thought there was a close link between lams and woodies, even though they are considered different things, when you look at the descriptors. Lams, are considered to be caused by impurities in the alloy and a woody, and improperly mixed alloy. Here is the link for each but scroll to the very end of the woody link and read the very last sentence. I don't doubt there is a difference but they are definitely linked at times.

Lam link https://www.error-ref.com/?s=lamination

Woody link https://www.error-ref.com/?s=woodies
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I did read those descriptions and was a bit confused. That is why I posted this. Thanks everyone, I am less confused now. I agree that they are linked often because I have many. I, however, find them attractive. But that's just me. LOL
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I forgot to add that along with discoloration from an improper alloy mix or impurities, sometimes the dark areas you see are a loss of metal, caused from a lam, that have just caught debris.
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That seems like a lot of debris. I have given them acetone baths to no avail for color removal.
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 Posted 12/18/2021  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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"SOMETIMES" the dark areas you see are a loss of metal, caused from a lam, that have just caught debris.
VestigeWolf, sometimes I come off a bit harsh and I'm sorry, just the way I've learned. I really am trying to help.
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 Posted 12/18/2021  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Good enough then, I figured I would try one more time....
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I am not offended at all. Not sure why you thought otherwise. I take all this information given and process it. Perhaps I spoke out of turn early in my thought process. I appreciate all of you and have learned a trmendous amount from this forum. I will surely keep learning because you are all very valuable to me. With that said, thank you very much for your input.
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 Posted 12/18/2021  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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so, what is the verdict here? Lam, Alloy mix issue, or both?
Dearborn, my take on this particular coin, is that it is a lam, if there has to be total separation between the two but what I gather, from folks much sharper than me, you can have a woody with lam features and don't see why it could not be the other way too. I've just seen what seems to be a correlation between the two quite often.
This would be a good one for Mike Diamond to comment on.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VestigeWolf to your friends list
Can anyone get Mike Diamond to chime in?
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