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Are Current Overall Coin Prices For Classic US Coins A Good Value Or Overpriced?

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 Posted 04/18/2022  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list
Define "Classic US coins".

Do you mean:
-- keys?
-- old coins (specify the time period)?
-- rare coins?
-- others (specify)?

My personal definition is origin- and time-based.
1. ORIGIN: They have to have been authorized for production in the US and by the US Government.
2. TIME PERIOD: Coins struck from 1787 (the Fugio Coppers) through 1857 (the last of the Large Cents).
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 Posted 04/18/2022  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
@Winesteven and @hfjacinto, We're going to have to agree to disagree here. I'm not interested in the politics of anything, much less COVID, but there is a COVID impact on coin shows and dealers. What we see in the marketplace may depend more on our age and vantage point than anything entirely objective.

I am part of a whole generation of older dealers who closed up shop or are in the process of doing so. Local shops are reopening, but not all of them. Larger shows have returned, but not all of them. There is an economic impact from the COVID era. And COVID was a large driver in these decisions.

My wife and I closed up our business (buyer-side agency) and sold not only our remaining inventory, but also our personal collections. It took four dealers to absorb our inventory, and two dealers and two long-time collectors to absorb our personal collections. Our inventory wasn't that large. Our personal collections were pretty run of the mill, and hardly market-impacting. Why did it take so many to absorb them? Their carrying capacity was not large enough to take on more. This is a function of credit, liquidity, interest rates, market risk, and signs that the market is slowly becoming more risk-aversive.

A combination of things right now, including COVID, wars, inflation, economic changes, and trade/supply shortages, are impacting the market. Many of us who have been around the game for 45/50+ years have seen this a couple times before, and are too old (and too tired) to ride out another roller coaster.

For us, and I suspect others, the future doesn't look as good as the present market. It takes time to rebound, and we don't have that time. That's why we exited the market now. Others, who are much younger, may see the future differently.

I would only urge a few things to ponder:
If the older dealers like us are retiring, are the older collectors our age also pondering retirement? If so, what will their collections (and lack of future collecting) do to the market?
Why is the ANA choosing right now to de-accession their surplus coins? Why not wait another couple years? What motivates doing this right now?
Why did the Harry Bass Jr. Foundation pick right now to de-accession its fantastic gold collection and place it up for auction? Why not wait another couple years? What motivates doing this right now?
Where are the younger Millennial and Generation Z dealers? I started dealing coins in my teens. Where are the young guns who will replace my generation of dealers? (I know there are a few, but not nearly as many as the number of retiring dealers.) The same dynamic exists for collectors, more are retiring than starting.

I believe that we are in an investment bubble, and that includes coin prices. Regardless of local economic conditions, ebay (for better or for worse) has become the market of choice, and a large component of any pricing structure.

Again, you may see things very differently from a different vantage point. I definitely respect your views, and I'm not seeking to persuade you to my viewpoint. I only seek for you to consider that others are choosing to exit the market right now for a variety of reasons, and the one reason none of us can change is aging out of the market. Is the older crowd choosing now as the time for exiting the market an opportunity, or is it a cause for concern? You will need to make that determination for yourself. As for my wife and I, we're out. We used the money from the coins to fix up our small ranch property. We plan to put it on the market and then ride off into the sunset.

Thanks for indulging us!
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 Posted 04/18/2022  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Catbert to your friends list
10,000 baby boomers retiring every day. They have a lot of discretionary income to buy coins.

The young gun dealers are very visible and active on Instagram.

COVID brought comfort to buy coins online and so I think many LCSs lost customers accordingly.

I think the hobby is healthy and don't see the doom you see.
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 Posted 04/19/2022  03:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Winesteven to your friends list
@fortcollins, I agree with several of your points, and respectfully disagree with some others. Since none of us know future results, only time will tell. With that said, I don't believe the overall rate of increase we've seen in coin values over the past six months will continue at that rate. I believe continuing high inflation over at least the next two years will have a damper on our economy and the coin market. That, not Covid, is the biggest factor in my opinion.

I wish you and your wife well.

Steve

A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!

My collecting "Pride & Joy" is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/ty...edset/213996
Edited by Winesteven
04/19/2022 03:13 am
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 Posted 04/19/2022  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Low Mintage to your friends list
When I started this thread I wasn't sure how many responses I would get. Its been healthy thus far. That being said, I dont see doom and gloom, not sure where that comment came from. But its great to see what others think on this topic.

Personally like other things. I do believe this price burst we are seeing is temporary and on average prices will go down at some point. Demand eventually wanes and money flows into other things. Thats the way markets work. Ive seen it with other collectibles and properties etc. Wether we like it or not allot of spending habits are linked to the overall economy and policy. Thats just the way things are.

You have to zig when they zag. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers
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 Posted 04/19/2022  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list

Quote:
are the older collectors our age also pondering retirement? If so, what will their collections (and lack of future collecting) do to the market?
I see at least three types of retired collector:
1. Sell the collection to pay for retirement / do other things
2. Sell the collection so your heirs aren't hassled with it (could be in conjunction with #1)
3. Buy more coins now that you have time/renewed interest and can afford it

I fall into #3. If that was the only impact on the market (it's not), the impact depends on how many are in the sell or buy categories. I guess that's obvious.
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 Posted 04/19/2022  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Catbert to your friends list

Quote:
"That being said, I dont see doom and gloom, not sure where that comment came from."
*** Edited by Staff to add Quote tags. Please use them in the future. ***

My reference to "doom" was my perception of the preceding poster's comments (seen at the end of the first page) and was not directed toward you.
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 Posted 04/19/2022  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Low Mintage to your friends list

Quote:
My reference to "doom" was my perception of the preceding poster's comments (seen at the end of the first page) and was not directed toward you.


No worries. I thought you where referring to my original post. My apologies. So much is lost through text sometimes.

Cheers
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 Posted 04/28/2022  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list
I am with Steve in that I believe @fortcollins made some compelling points. Regarding LCS, my shop in town closed as the owner retired. There are still local shows within driving distance that I can go to 3 of 4 weeks in a month. Many of these dealers do not have brick and mortar shops and quite frankly are overpriced. It has not stopped my buying, just how I do it. I seek out auctions (in person and online) and have developed relationships with a few of the dealers I look to for good value (some of which are online). That said I think it depends on what part of the market you are talking about - as others have asked what constitutes classic US coins?

I certainly see the modern and ASE MS-70 craze as a bubble ready to burst.

Classic capped bust halves (which I follow closely), Morgans and gold will not continue at the same rate but I still feel will continue to trend up. Try to win a coin at a Heritage auction and you will see bids above PCGS values and that does not include the additional 20% to the auction house. Is all that money from COVID? Maybe some due to government payments and lack of goods to buy.
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04/28/2022 10:48 am
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 Posted 04/29/2022  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Makes no difference to me what the future of coin vales are. I'm just to old to care.
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 Posted 05/02/2022  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FlyingTiger to your friends list
First let me say this is a great thread with so many philosophical statements and opinions on the topic of coin prices,inflation and coin collecting.
I myself have just recently collected a key date 1885-CC Morgan that I had concerns that by the same time next year this coin would be out of my reach.Even circulated lower dates are not cheap.So I finally found one without a lot of face chatter and clean fields.There is a little tarnish here and there but I've been hunting for months and haven't found a better one for the price I paid.
I think this is the best Morgan dollar I own and my favorite.
P.S.I wonder how many people have owned this for the last 137 years and where it's been?Would be cool to know.

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 Posted 05/02/2022  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Winesteven to your friends list
@FlyingTiger - I like the way you think!

GREAT pickup! Enjoy!

Steve
A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!

My collecting "Pride & Joy" is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/ty...edset/213996
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 Posted 05/02/2022  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
The 1885-CC is really nice. I suspect that it spent most of the last 137 years in a sack at GSA.

The recent stock market drops and ongoing inflation, combined with the Fed tightening, will probably dry up the supply of excess money for collectables like coins. However, I don't think that it will result in a flood of interesting coins into the market. Auction prices for high end coins will probably flatten, but if there is price discounting it will be for common coins in common condition.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 05/02/2022  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
I voted for "They are priced just right and things wont change much". At least that is what I think will happen in the near future.
And coins are always "priced right", otherwise there would be an arbitrage opportunity which typically doesn't last long in a reasonable liquid market.
Regarding LCS and coins shows....perhaps it depends where you live, but in my neck of the woods LCS are open and coins shows are a go. In fact, I will be going to a local coin show in two weeks, and plan to be at the June Whitman show in Baltimore.
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 Posted 05/02/2022  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FlyingTiger to your friends list
thq I bet your right because if it was in a drawer or a jewelry box for decades it would be dark on one side.And If was in an album it would probably have a darkened ring around the edges.So it must have been in a GSA bag most of its existence.Maybe it got free a few decades of so back.The reverse is clean to but recently the uploading of pictures has changed on the forum and I had a lot of trouble loading this picture.
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