@Winesteven and @hfjacinto, We're going to have to agree to disagree here. I'm not interested in the politics of anything, much less COVID, but there is a COVID impact on coin shows and dealers. What we see in the marketplace may depend more on our age and vantage point than anything entirely objective.
I am part of a whole generation of older dealers who closed up shop or are in the process of doing so. Local shops are reopening, but not all of them. Larger shows have returned, but not all of them. There is an economic impact from the COVID era. And COVID was a large driver in these decisions.
My wife and I closed up our business (buyer-side agency) and sold not only our remaining inventory, but also our personal collections. It took four dealers to absorb our inventory, and two dealers and two long-time collectors to absorb our personal collections. Our inventory wasn't that large. Our personal collections were pretty run of the mill, and hardly market-impacting. Why did it take so many to absorb them? Their carrying capacity was not large enough to take on more. This is a function of credit, liquidity, interest rates, market risk, and signs that the market is slowly becoming more risk-aversive.
A combination of things right now, including COVID, wars, inflation, economic changes, and trade/supply shortages, are impacting the market. Many of us who have been around the game for 45/50+ years have seen this a couple times before, and are too old (and too tired) to ride out another roller coaster.
For us, and I suspect others, the future doesn't look as good as the present market. It takes time to rebound, and we don't have that time. That's why we exited the market now. Others, who are much younger, may see the future differently.
I would only urge a few things to ponder:
If the older dealers like us are retiring, are the older collectors our age also pondering retirement? If so, what will their collections (and lack of future collecting) do to the market?
Why is the ANA choosing right now to de-accession their surplus coins? Why not wait another couple years? What motivates doing this right now?
Why did the Harry Bass Jr. Foundation pick right now to de-accession its fantastic gold collection and place it up for auction? Why not wait another couple years? What motivates doing this right now?
Where are the younger Millennial and Generation Z dealers? I started dealing coins in my teens. Where are the young guns who will replace my generation of dealers? (I know there are a few, but not nearly as many as the number of retiring dealers.) The same dynamic exists for collectors, more are retiring than starting.
I believe that we are in an investment bubble, and that includes coin prices. Regardless of local economic conditions, ebay (for better or for worse) has become the market of choice, and a large component of any pricing structure.
Again, you may see things very differently from a different vantage point. I definitely respect your views, and I'm not seeking to persuade you to my viewpoint. I only seek for you to consider that others are choosing to exit the market right now for a variety of reasons, and the one reason none of us can change is aging out of the market. Is the older crowd choosing now as the time for exiting the market an opportunity, or is it a cause for concern? You will need to make that determination for yourself. As for my wife and I, we're out. We used the money from the coins to fix up our small ranch property. We plan to put it on the market and then ride off into the sunset.
Thanks for indulging us!
I am part of a whole generation of older dealers who closed up shop or are in the process of doing so. Local shops are reopening, but not all of them. Larger shows have returned, but not all of them. There is an economic impact from the COVID era. And COVID was a large driver in these decisions.
My wife and I closed up our business (buyer-side agency) and sold not only our remaining inventory, but also our personal collections. It took four dealers to absorb our inventory, and two dealers and two long-time collectors to absorb our personal collections. Our inventory wasn't that large. Our personal collections were pretty run of the mill, and hardly market-impacting. Why did it take so many to absorb them? Their carrying capacity was not large enough to take on more. This is a function of credit, liquidity, interest rates, market risk, and signs that the market is slowly becoming more risk-aversive.
A combination of things right now, including COVID, wars, inflation, economic changes, and trade/supply shortages, are impacting the market. Many of us who have been around the game for 45/50+ years have seen this a couple times before, and are too old (and too tired) to ride out another roller coaster.
For us, and I suspect others, the future doesn't look as good as the present market. It takes time to rebound, and we don't have that time. That's why we exited the market now. Others, who are much younger, may see the future differently.
I would only urge a few things to ponder:
If the older dealers like us are retiring, are the older collectors our age also pondering retirement? If so, what will their collections (and lack of future collecting) do to the market?
Why is the ANA choosing right now to de-accession their surplus coins? Why not wait another couple years? What motivates doing this right now?
Why did the Harry Bass Jr. Foundation pick right now to de-accession its fantastic gold collection and place it up for auction? Why not wait another couple years? What motivates doing this right now?
Where are the younger Millennial and Generation Z dealers? I started dealing coins in my teens. Where are the young guns who will replace my generation of dealers? (I know there are a few, but not nearly as many as the number of retiring dealers.) The same dynamic exists for collectors, more are retiring than starting.I believe that we are in an investment bubble, and that includes coin prices. Regardless of local economic conditions, ebay (for better or for worse) has become the market of choice, and a large component of any pricing structure.
Again, you may see things very differently from a different vantage point. I definitely respect your views, and I'm not seeking to persuade you to my viewpoint. I only seek for you to consider that others are choosing to exit the market right now for a variety of reasons, and the one reason none of us can change is aging out of the market. Is the older crowd choosing now as the time for exiting the market an opportunity, or is it a cause for concern? You will need to make that determination for yourself. As for my wife and I, we're out. We used the money from the coins to fix up our small ranch property. We plan to put it on the market and then ride off into the sunset.
Thanks for indulging us!



















