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I agree with the above but I would have thought that as a formerly graded 20 that the folds would have been heavy and numerous enough that you would still be able to notice evidence of them going through the design without much difficulty even after the wash and press job. My coin shop had a raw bison note that looked like it was washed and pressed. The folds were there but almost non existent. The dealer thought it would grade XF40 even with the doctoring and I was like I would say VF. The color fade was the issue. And the Bison note red was faded and not really vibrant, but I didn't think it would get below VF30, it came back VF25 (no comments). So a VF20 could get better but the above note looks much better than XF so I'm wondering if the picture isn't also photoshopped a little. |
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What I have noticed several times now with buying notes from pictures, even on "reputable" auction websites, is that the photographs more often than not are "color-saturated". Meaning, they look much more vibrant on the photograph than in reality.
As a result, I no longer buy online. It is either: examine in-hand, or no deal.
Regarding the note shown in the first post, there is absolutely no way I believe the note shown is actually in such a vibrant condition after 130 years. For starters, the serial number ink is much tooo blue. It looks like someone penciled it in recently. The dark green color of the reverse is also too good to be true.
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03/21/2024 10:19 am
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Great comments, all, and much appreciated. Think I'll let this one pass by, although it is still tempting with a 30 day return. That said, the photoshop comments ring true to me, especially with documented sales at VF20. Darned hard to evaluate from pictures - impossible even. I like Steve in Tampa's technique of side lighting. Reveals a lot.
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Sold for over $1500, but not to me. Sold to a person with 177 transactions, so probably not a dealer. Thanks for all the comments.  Edited by Blastenpene4
03/24/2024 09:24 am
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I know the seller. Based on my experiences I wouldn't buy from him even a graded note.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Well that's quite a statement!  |
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I know the seller. Based on my experiences I wouldn't buy from him even a graded note. Why? Any details? I've purchased a couple of PMG graded notes from High Grade Rarities on ebay via auction in the past (but not for over a year). Both were as described and I had no problems/issues with the seller, BUT maybe their business model has changed. I see that they currently have no PMG graded notes listed, only about 5% of their listed sales were graded and they haven't sold a graded note since early Jan 2024. At the same time, I wouldn't buy a raw note in this price range, from this, or any other seller. The seller, particularly a large scale dealer, has to know that a graded note would attract more buyers and likely higher bids that would more than make up for the cost of grading the note. If it hasn't been graded, then I wonder why not and stay away. Edited by BadDog
03/24/2024 3:40 pm
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I'm with Helder on this one.
I don't have a particular reason other than I just don't like the guy. He was a member on a different forum, and we didn't get along.
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03/24/2024 6:24 pm
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He made comments that just turned me off. I won't buy from him no matter the note.
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Bedrock of the Community
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A most controversial seller indeed, despite a masssive favorable rating on ebay. |
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Tbh, my opinion is that seller ratings on ebay offer a false sense of security to buyers. I would be interested to have seen what that $1 edu looked like in the sale from 4 months ago. |
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Here's another sale from the same seller that also closed tonight. Notice the difference in the pic from that sale versus the prior ebay sale last year. Another example of the potential pitfalls of buying raw that people who are unaware can fall into. The seal and serial numbers became a lot more vibrant and the tears at the top disappeared.   |
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The seal and serial numbers became a lot more vibrant and the tears at the top disappeared. It's a miracle! It's magic! It's....photoshop!  |
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I would hope for the buyer's sake that the tears not being visibly present in the latest photos is a reflection of actual repair work that has been done rather than liberal use of photoshop editing.  |
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This is one of the reasons you should buy this note graded (my note).   |
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