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1812 G$5 Capped Bust Half Eagle

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 Posted 11/09/2024  07:13 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Agree with @jacrispies that it looks like a strike through at the chin and cheek. It must have been something that was retained on the die. Looks like decent luster with perhaps some grease on the reverse. I'd say AU-53.

Here's another example from Heritage.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half...ption-071515
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 Posted 11/09/2024  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list
Here are some more from GC
https://www.greatcollections.com/Au...af_gd_max=70
They sure did use that reverse die a lot evident with the die crack through the shield.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  09:13 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
I don't see any strike throughs in those listings at GC.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list
Out of my league but I don't see this getting anywhere near AU with the lack of detail on the reverse (particularly the missing lines on the shield). Did something other than circulation wear cause that?
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 Posted 11/09/2024  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Obverse dent might be due to a strike-thru event but that could be tough to distinguish from damage. There are also some horizontal scratches across the lower obverse.

The very soft reverse is not normal for these coins which usually have sharp eagle detail at least down to XF grade. Maybe there was grease on the die, or the coin was used in jewelry at some point. Seems to me this example has impaired eye appeal on both sides.

I'll want a Capped Bust half eagle for my type set someday but I would hold out for a problem-free piece. I'll be very interested in how PCGS grades this one.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
Looks like someone hit it with a chisel.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
So, Adam (OP), what do you think they will call it?
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 Posted 11/09/2024  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list
This coin has a whole lot going on.

As several pointed out, the obverse flaws are definitely as minted, either by a die defect, or a strike through. I was leaning towards die defect but I could be wrong. The coin that jacrispies found was the first that I found as well with the same defect but I have found others.

This is clearly a very late die state of BD-1, and with that lower striking pressure to preserve the dies, grease, or some other anomaly prevented the reverse form getting fully struck up. This coin is unquestionably AU given the luster, but it's not an attractive example.

Unfortunately though, this coin has had some work done on the reverse above the eagle, it's very hard to tell in these photos, but as you twirl the coin in hand that spot jumps out as "off", and under magnification it's clear that the area was softened and worked over. Whether PCGS notices it or not is another story, but I would expect they do.

I graded the coin AU details, reverse tooled. Had the reverse not had work done I would have given it no better than a 53 due to the diminished eye appeal from the obverse flaw and weak reverse.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Thanks for that, most interesting.
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 Posted 11/11/2024  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
AU details seems right.
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 Posted 11/26/2024  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list
Very surprised with a straight grade AU-53 for this coin! If it didn't have the tooling I would have called it a 53 myself.
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 Posted 11/26/2024  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
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 Posted 11/26/2024  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Congrats are in order! Wouldn't have guessed.
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 Posted 11/26/2024  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
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 Posted 11/27/2024  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
really interesting piece and comments.

i had it at Mid-AU details. congrats on the straight grade! I'm guessing the call the reverse die deteriation and even grease like you suggested, and the obv marks most likely die related.

i'd have to go with Jaobler though. if I was looking at an individual piece for a type set i'd want a better example.
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