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Valued Member
United States
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Buying raw coins online can be a risky venture (there is a lot that can be done with photography). Always check out the selller's feedback and sale records at a minimum. Sending coins to a TPG is expensive so only do so for solid coins worthy of the investment or to confirm they are genuine. If TPG coins are your objective, I would encourage you to purchase graded coins.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Let us know the results. The forums are filled with threads about people disagreeing with TPG grades for coins they submitted. Most people are terrible graders. Are you sure your grades are accurate? Otherwise your investment boost maybe more like a money pit.
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New Member
 United States
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I appreciate all the advice, & NO, I'm not trying to make a mint. It's not like I'm counting my retirement on this small 85-coin hobby LOL. I bought these coins usually at a good price. I'm getting them all graded (the ones that already weren't) with PCGS & CAC. Even with grading, they will sell for more than I paid. If I make $25 on a coin & $200 on another coin, which I WILL because I did my research on the coins, that's fine with me. I'm talking about something like a $6,500-$7,500 investment & about a $9,500-$10K return. Nothing huge. I'm getting the best of the PCGS coins CAC-stickered, so that will raise the value. I might just end up selling them all myself on ebay. Either way, I'm stubborn enough that I will make my money. PCGS tells me the value of the coins when I add them to my Inventory on their site, so I know what they are worth now, & they probably won't go up much with a CAC sticker. But I have seen CAC stickers raise sales prices 10% or more. So thanks for all the advice, appreciated!!
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: Either way, I'm stubborn enough that I will make my money. To paraphrase John Maynard Keynes: the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. Quote: PCGS tells me the value of the coins when I add them to my Inventory on their site, so I know what they are worth now PCGS price estimates are hideously imprecise. You can pull up pretty much any valuable 20th century coin in CoinFacts, and their price grid will be completely out of sync with the real auction results listed right below it. Most prices in those grids are determined as a set percent of an awesome grade of MS66 or greater. They aren't real numbers produced by any sort of real analysis. The price estimates also usually don't match the historical auction prices on PCGS, or the realized auction records at Great Collections or Heritage Auctions. If your coins will result in a healthy profit based on the actual published auction results, cool. For most coins, the CoinFacts price grid is a very rough starting point, and for rare coins, it is laughably inaccurate (although I respect them for taking a cut at the price, I know it's a hard task).
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Unless you're really good at assessing and buying raw coins from photos, you might find that PCGS doesn't always agree with your (or the auction house's) assigned grade. As you probably know, even a one point difference in a mint state grade can make a huge difference in value. Then there's the risk that PCGS finds a borderline issue that results in a details grade, like overdipping or questionable color. Some higher value Morgans auctioned raw on HiBid might be there because they were cracked out of details holders. Making any kind of profit by buying at auction then selling a few years later is not easy, especially when you consider grading fees and selling fees. Hope it works for you, but there are a lot of pitfalls.
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New Member
 United States
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I also base my value estimates on the "SOLD" prices on ebay. And not just the outliers - I take the averages. For example if I have an 1884-O that I expect to sell for a price, I check the SOLD prices & look for PCGS coins rated the same as mine & look for the highest 10 sales prices, & I take out the Top 3 & any weirdly high ones & average the rest. I also look at the "auction sold prices" on PCGS. There is a lot of data to make good estimates, if you look around. I'll make my minuscule profit and have fun doing it :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@lars1963 ... With all due respect ... you asked for advice & you are receiving advice from people with many decades of experience in this field....
...have you talked to any professional financial advisors about your plan? ... of the 5 that I personally know (2 are coin collectors), all would agree with what folks here are trying (emphasis on the work 'trying') to tell you, that coins are a very risky investment vehicle, with low odds for much, if any, profit ...
...are you asking whether or not your idea is sound? Or, are you just wanting experienced dealers/collectors to agree with you?...
...You are receiving plenty of answers on the former, & none of the latter ...
...I hope you grasp the significance here ...
Edited by mrwiskers 03/05/2025 08:43 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1100 Posts |
If your having fun then you are doing it right.
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Moderator
 United States
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@lars1963: *** Your reply was moved to the appropriate forum for the proper attention. ***And I added to your post count.. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6126 Posts |
Sounds to me this activity is just a "hobby" to occupy your time pre and post retirement....Best of luck and have fun doing it. Quote: Some higher value Morgans auctioned raw on HiBid might be there because they were cracked out of details holders. That sentence has been in the back of my head from the start of this post....only because I have seen this situation happen on ebay....Again wishing you the best and  to CCF Looking forward to seeing some of your buys.... 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4381 Posts |
One additional item. HiBid is just an auction aggregation platform. The individual auctions are run by various sellers with their own policies, practices, and terms.
-----Burton 50 year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, OnLine Coin Club Owned by four cats and a wife of 40 years (joined 1983)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1882 Posts |
It is difficult to make money on coins, and if you manage to break-even after five years, you will have done well.
I'm with the others. Enjoy the hobby! :)
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: HiBid is just an auction aggregation platform. The individual auctions are run by various sellers with their own policies, practices, and terms. Including buyer's premiums between 10% - 25%, credit card fees, tax, and shipping. What seemed like a good deal can turn into a not very good one very quickly.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Valued Member
United States
413 Posts |
Instead of trying for the investment angle, why not give them to you kids or grand kids? It could be a legacy thing. That's what I am doing anyway.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2030 Posts |
When I began collecting as a young teen 50 years ago, I always had it in the back of my mind that someday I might get rich from buying coins, holding them and then selling them for a profit.
Once, I was so confident that I spent good money buying a handful of coins from a dealer who said in their mailer, "These coins are guaranteed to go up in value!" About five years later, not only had they not gone up in value, a few had gone down. I needed money so I cut my losses and sold them to my local dealer.
I know you want to see some return on your investment. But another option is to keep them, invest in some handsome coin albums and display them for your friends and family. They might garner you a few extra dollars; on the other hand, 85 beautiful Morgans are a treasure for the eyes.
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